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FrostDragonZ

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Subzero said :
Personally I'm not so keen on the idea of blanket-banning entire clans.


Couple of points I wish to raise:
• - How often do entire Clans bully other clans? In all my years on the CLF I can't immediately recall any severe cases of actual entire clan against clan bullying.

• - If you blanket-banned their clan, wouldn't the perpetrators just create throwaway accounts to circumvent your clan-ban and continue harassing you? To be honest if I was going to harass a someone I wouldn't even use my main account in the first place, I would use lots of throwaway accounts.

• - Could this be handled without requiring new technology in-game? It's not a perfect solution, but you could temporarily stop guests from entering your Clan, submit abuse Reports against offenders, and then post on the Flag a Concern thread for help.



I feel this could be handled in a better way that doesn't involve blanket-banning people from a specific clan.


How about instead of banning Clans, we give clans a "Friends list"? If you're on the Friends list then you can join even when the Guesting option is disabled. Not only does this solve the problem you describe, it's also a feature that Clan leaders have been requesting for some time.

Can confirm that the throwaway accounts issue is a very valid point; my clan has dealt with it to the point where we've had to disable guest chatting to keep them out.
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09-Apr-2019 17:24:03 - Last edited on 09-Apr-2019 17:25:16 by FrostDragonZ

FrostDragonZ

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Ninmci said :
Not every one in a clan is bad

with 500 people in a clan 5 rotten apple s are you going to ban everyone .

Thankfully this topic will be dealt with at the end of months clan Q o l #2 update with clan pin access to cc if you need to use it

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You said it, mate. This is gonna be clan update of the year for my clan.
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11-Apr-2019 15:07:27

Ledr Knuckls

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No Support of banning a clan unless jagex does so themselves

If you and another clan have issues and the other clan wants to spam, troll, and so forth, they will just use throwaway accounts and join as guest but with the guest pin that’s comng out in a few weeks i think its going to help solve those trolls, and so forth

so therefore

No Support of banning a clan unless jagex does so themselves

However like fire hawk said ,and im just adding to it

It be better to report the clan and let jagex look at it and go from there, so if it the clan persists on trolling and so on then jagex can decide to ban that clan entirely or certian clan members in that said clan

Ive seen drama in the clan over the years but never seen another clan trying to harass another clan and i been playing this game for a long time.

As for the drama, thats everywhere, and the leader of the clan should be leading by a good example and control that drama as best as they can, such as i been taking both sides to every story and trusting my gut instincts as much as possible and do what is best for the clan as a whole community.
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12-Apr-2019 06:25:23 - Last edited on 12-Apr-2019 06:27:56 by Ledr Knuckls

FrostDragonZ

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Ledr Knuckls said :
No Support of banning a clan unless jagex does so themselves

If you and another clan have issues and the other clan wants to spam, troll, and so forth, they will just use throwaway accounts and join as guest but with the guest pin that’s comng out in a few weeks i think its going to help solve those trolls, and so forth

so therefore

No Support of banning a clan unless jagex does so themselves

However like fire hawk said ,and im just adding to it

It be better to report the clan and let jagex look at it and go from there, so if it the clan persists on trolling and so on then jagex can decide to ban that clan entirely or certian clan members in that said clan

Ive seen drama in the clan over the years but never seen another clan trying to harass another clan and i been playing this game for a long time.

As for the drama, thats everywhere, and the leader of the clan should be leading by a good example and control that drama as best as they can, such as i been taking both sides to every story and trusting my gut instincts as much as possible and do what is best for the clan as a whole community.

If you've never seen a clan harassing another clan, you could take a look at mine; another clan's leader likes to make alts and spam my guest chat. We've had to close it until the pin update.
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12-Apr-2019 13:29:42

Seer of War

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Ledr Knuckls said :
As for the drama, thats everywhere, and the leader of the clan should be leading by a good example and control that drama as best as they can, such as i been taking both sides to every story and trusting my gut instincts as much as possible and do what is best for the clan as a whole community.

That is the point some of us are trying to make. Not all clan leaders lead by good example. There are incidents were clan leaders have used their positions of power to spread misinformation and encourage their members to take action against other clans.

The total level requirement for guests will help with random throw away accounts, and the clan pin will help with others. However, an important point to note is that by disabling general guesting by enabling the clan pin, clans will basically be giving in to the desires of those doing the harassing. This idea is meant to be an addition to the clan pin/total level requirement and would enable clans to adequately address any and all incidents of guest spam/harassment.
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12-Apr-2019 23:44:04

Luna Kitten
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100% SUPPORT!!

I've had some troll clans scream and cry when we didn't do what they wanted us to do and tried to get to me by spamming my clan chat with 20+ people from their clan. Honestly, people like that should be banned from the game period, but I fully support a ban by clan option to put trolls in their place.

Edit: banning guests is not the answer to this. My clan is made up of many lovely guests and I don't want them to be punished the same way as trolls would be. Also, just because it doesn't happen often, doesn't mean something shouldn't be done about it.

Also, people from an offending clan are probably not guesting, or going to guest in the victim clan. If they stick with the clan, they are condoning their actions and, as such, are not innocents. If they leave the clan to possibly join the victim clan, they are no longer part of the clan that is banned, and are free to guest again.

And I'd also like to point out that a lot of people do not use throw away accounts for spamming in other people's clan chats. The clan that did this to mine used their main accounts. Making throw away accounts is a LOT more effort than just joining on an account currently being used and most won't bother to make them.
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25-Apr-2019 21:59:09 - Last edited on 25-Apr-2019 22:32:11 by Luna Kitten

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