Forums

Sole or Joint leadership

Quick find code: 86-87-857-65740820

SwitchFlip
Sep Member 2023

SwitchFlip

Posts: 3,335 Adamant Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Curious to see how many clans operate under joint leadership. Where you have a council of some sort that makes group decisions. What are common discussions you hold or have held.

How do you select the members of your council and how effective do you believe it to be.


In contrast how many here are the sole leaders of their clan and are responsible for all decisions made. How stressful or simple does it make it for you to be the only one making the laws of your clan.

Do you ever feel overwhelmed and have you ever felt like youve made the wrong decisions for you clan based on impulses as opposed to patiently working out details.


Personally Ive always been the sole leader of my clan and have sought out advice from administrators in my clan. I've always been responsible for everything citadel management, forum thread, recruiting, delegating with other clans for warring and so forth.

I can say personally it was always exciting and it was always overwhelming. But one thing Ive noticed throughout the years. When considering a council of some sort. Is that many people dont have the same amount of heart, patience and dedication towards the clan. They may not always have thr same interests and goals. And thus Ive always found it simple to maintain a "What I say goes" discretion.

The purpose of this thread is somply to share relate and contrast different styles of leading and hopefully allow myselves and others an opportunity to grasp and maybe implement some good techniques into our own clans :)
This
Is
Sanity

29-Jan-2016 20:17:39

Gluepot
Nov Member 2023

Gluepot

Posts: 4,315 Adamant Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
When I led my first clan, it started as sole ownership, he became inactive and selected a bunch to take over responsibilities. It was then a group decision for any others to join this council and I became one of them through being an enthusiastic member. Over time other members of the council became inactive or just did less than I did, so that original owner decided I could be sole owner as it helped get things done and removed bureaucracy.

I agree that doing things yourself and whatever you say goes gets things done a lot better. However the other side is that it is A LOT of work and therefore you can burn out or if activity wavers then it can damage the clan. So subsequent clans involved being part of a council. The current clan I'm in I think is just Tiber running it himself which I honestly think is the best way to run a clan... if you can manage it.
Ho Ho Ho!

The Imperial Legion

29-Jan-2016 21:29:56

Lisaa
Jun Member 2014

Lisaa

Posts: 7,018 Rune Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Ours started as a solo leadership, with ranks simply determining how loyal someone is to the clan. Since our leader has started college though, there's been a shift in that Deputies are having more control over things, and are asked to fill in for him.

He still has full right to override decisions we make, but thus far there hasn't been any need to.
@Lisaa_RS - Followed by @Runescape
FashionScapers - a 9000+ Member Discord Community | https://discord.gg/fashionscape

29-Jan-2016 22:01:04

Fire Hawk154

Fire Hawk154

Posts: 9,001 Rune Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
I think a solo leader is better for a clan, but being a solo leader is unhealthy for almost everyone. RuneScape is just a game and it has to be fun for everyone. But just like alcohol and other things, you have to limit it. I've seen clan leaders being busy with their clan all day, which simply harmed their life outside of this game. They started treating leading a clan as a full-time job. It's not meant to be that way. I think we can compare a clan with a citadel, it does require weekly upkeep and even more work for upgrades. You can either make 10 accounts and do it all yourself, or ask other people to help out. As long as you make sure everyone knows what to do, it can work. My clan might not be able to get all the possible upgrades, but we meet our upkeep and I'm sure everyone has enough time to make something of their real life. :)
Clan Europe Staff
|
Clan Cup Winners
|
Maxed Pure F2P

30-Jan-2016 11:26:40

Ajente02

Ajente02

Posts: 5,103 Rune Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
My clan has the tradition, since its founding, of having a Council of Deputies. We have a shared (non trainable) account that acts as the owner, protected with both JAG and Authenticator.

The number of Deputies has been changed by the course of years, but since 2013 we've been 5 Deputies, which in my opinion is perfect as it's a small number (the power isn't too scattered) and it's an odd number (the desitions needs to be consensual), but at the same time give us more flexibility to loggin out and make our lives without all the pressure of the clan in our backs.

As of the method of selecting the Deputies, we're one of the very few clans (as far as I know) that is completely democratic in its selection. When there's a vacancy in the Council, the remaining Deputies select a list of candidates (all of them needs to be renowned, active, veteran members (Admin+, but not necessarily)), and they're voted on the Clan forums by our members in a process that lasts 2-3 weeks.

In our 5 years as a clan, there has never been any problem with this system. It's fair, it's functional, it's safe, and it's democratic. And I feel proud of being part of it. :)
Ajente02,
Leader of Vanguardia . - RL idea

30-Jan-2016 12:53:28

Ceecs
Mar Member 2010

Ceecs

Posts: 16,166 Opal Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
As the name suggested I started as Solo leadership but now I got a team of deputies around me and some Overseers/Coordinators and 2 organisors for events and lots of admins for avatar.

The team of deputies and I are on equally base so about clan changes we want we do votes, most of the time we are equally minded. When we need to vote for new admins or so we do not have always a 100% agreement but we strive towards it with argumentation.

In theory I can have veto powers to not do decisions but this has not happend before and I hope it never will.
Ceecs - leader of Ceecs Clan
Rank in Star Find, Harmed Ore, Beach FC | Ex-Rank in Fast SC

Ceecs Clan: DUTCH ONLY RS3 clan & Winner of the Iron Skilled Cup 2015!

30-Jan-2016 13:03:31

Pescao6
Aug Member 2007

Pescao6

Posts: 9,075 Rune Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
I mostly talk and tell people what to do. :D

Just kidding. We have a joint leadership where all of the Leaders can pretty much do whatever they want so long as it's within the confines of the Clan's Rules and Policies. And it works pretty good because we don't feel limited in what we do. If there is a disagreement, we meet. If I disagree with something the Deputies Owners want to do, I'll veto it and let the Clan Members decide.

We had an active council once. It didn't last very long as the Clan got to the point where we didn't need it anymore for making decisions about the Clan and I preferred to have open discussions with all Clanmates. So now we mostly use our Councils to relay messages between the Leaders and Members.

The ability to do something doesn't mean you're responsible for doing it. We've found it's best practice to spread the workload between the Leaders and to have variety of opinions.

Mostly we just play the game. A lot of time can be wasted on seemingly useless things like managing then clan. And most people don't care. So long as the Clan has constant events they can participate in, most people will be happy within the Clan.

I do get a lot of heat for stuff like the fact I don't care too much about Citadel. Like it's nice to have the Avatars and whatever, but I rarely use them. I've also been told by many that they don't like to gather resources, so I rather not annoy them asking them to if I don't need them to although I do encourage people to visit it at the very least. And yeah my Deputies tell me not to tell this to people all the time, but I only agree to disagree with them on this matter. ;)
*
Pescao6
of
El Imperio Latino

Hola Noob! Klk? What's up?
~
Discord: Pescao6#0001

30-Jan-2016 13:48:47

Archaeox
Dec
fmod Member
2011

Archaeox

Forum Moderator Posts: 53,398 Emerald Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Consultative autocracy ftw.

One person makes the decisions, but listens to opinions and ideas first. Good trick if you can pull it off.
~~~~ Just another victim of the ambient morality ~~~~

~~ Founder of the Caped Carousers quest cape clan ~~

!! Slava Ukraini - heroyam slava !!

30-Jan-2016 14:31:23

Gluepot
Nov Member 2023

Gluepot

Posts: 4,315 Adamant Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Archaeox said :
Consultative autocracy ftw.

One person makes the decisions, but listens to opinions and ideas first. Good trick if you can pull it off.


Yeah I forgot to mention in my post even though I think it's best one person is in charge. It's very good to have a number of advisor's and opinions on which to base your ultimate decisions.
Ho Ho Ho!

The Imperial Legion

31-Jan-2016 00:10:56

Quick find code: 86-87-857-65740820 Back to Top