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Be the owner and make the final decision. Sometimes you cannot be democratic and need to just do the right thing by the clan. If what you posted is true then it sounds like he is being disruptive for the sake of it. No clan needs or wants someone like that. I would kick him and block him from face book then explain to the clan what I have done and why.
I recently kicked someone who admitted to buying gold from a site. I did not have a clan vote, I just did it. (one of our clan rules is that every member has a say in what happens in the clan and we make group decisions.) I did explain what I did and why to the clan though. Sometimes the leader needs to take control and just do the right thing by the clan. Hopefully those times are rare though.
I recently kicked someone who admitted to buying gold from a site. I did not have a clan vote, I just did it. (one of our clan rules is that every member has a say in what happens in the clan and we make group decisions.) I did explain what I did and why to the clan though. Sometimes the leader needs to take control and just do the right thing by the clan. Hopefully those times are rare though.
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22-Sep-2013 04:46:07
As Sookie said, I too would suggest kicking him/blocking him.
As a leader, you must do what is best for the clan, though it is often difficult and not everyone will always agree, as I'm sure you know. Sometimes this means deciding things on your own, without a vote, etc. Though I suppose that's easy for me to say, as my clan is structured as a 'suggestive autocracy' of sorts (a very wise person once told me of that term) . Everyone's opinion matters to me, and holds weight. However at the end of the day, as the leader, I'm the one who has to make a decision, whether it be small, (what kind of potted plants to have in our citadel) , or large, (the removal of a long time clanmate due to disruptive behaviour) .
Anyways, for me, being purposefully disruptive after being spoken to about it and warned, as well as causing drama on top of it, is not something that should be tolerated imo, no matter how the clan is set up. That's something that will earn a one-way ticket out the door. One rulebreaker/disruptive clanmate paves the way for others and sets the precedent that rules can be bent and that acting in such a way will be tolerated, which is never a good thing.
That said, all clans work differently. What may work for one clan, may not work for another. So I'll leave you with this, which I believe to be a rather important part of being a clan leader: Be understanding, but firm; and trust your gut. (I believe that clan leaders have good instincts on what should be done in situations, for if they did not their clans would have disintegrated before they even began) . So be sure to trust in yourself and your ability to do the right thing.
I hope that all works out and is settled soon.
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As a leader, you must do what is best for the clan, though it is often difficult and not everyone will always agree, as I'm sure you know. Sometimes this means deciding things on your own, without a vote, etc. Though I suppose that's easy for me to say, as my clan is structured as a 'suggestive autocracy' of sorts (a very wise person once told me of that term) . Everyone's opinion matters to me, and holds weight. However at the end of the day, as the leader, I'm the one who has to make a decision, whether it be small, (what kind of potted plants to have in our citadel) , or large, (the removal of a long time clanmate due to disruptive behaviour) .
Anyways, for me, being purposefully disruptive after being spoken to about it and warned, as well as causing drama on top of it, is not something that should be tolerated imo, no matter how the clan is set up. That's something that will earn a one-way ticket out the door. One rulebreaker/disruptive clanmate paves the way for others and sets the precedent that rules can be bent and that acting in such a way will be tolerated, which is never a good thing.
That said, all clans work differently. What may work for one clan, may not work for another. So I'll leave you with this, which I believe to be a rather important part of being a clan leader: Be understanding, but firm; and trust your gut. (I believe that clan leaders have good instincts on what should be done in situations, for if they did not their clans would have disintegrated before they even began) . So be sure to trust in yourself and your ability to do the right thing.
I hope that all works out and is settled soon.
RSC - Gone, but never forgotten.
22-Sep-2013 07:03:21 - Last edited on 22-Sep-2013 07:13:11 by Leta
sounds like tons of drama, effective in my clan when such drama occurs, EVERYONE that has a part in it especially high ranks are dropped to General until all sides are resolved to help prevent kicking and such. Good Luck
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22-Sep-2013 17:57:15
Hello and thank you for all the advice regarding Mej's post
As Mej has stated above, we never thought we'd ever have to demote an Overseer. We've always had a good team (bar a few minor disagreements). So writing up a precedence for this in our Clan Charter evaded us.
The Overseer in question has been removed as an Overseer and removed from our FB admin group. For me personally that is over and done with. The issue we are facing now, is the other Overseer defending his friend/fellow leader. A phrase I try to live by to the letter (even kicked one of my longest and best friends in RS in a past clan) is "Don't let friendship affect your leadership, and don't let leadership affect your friendship".
This is the problem I feel we are facing with the other Overseer. Our predicament is we have always seen Deputies, Overseers and Admins (to an extent) as equal; as much as a democracy as possible. Leta's term "suggestive autocracy" is awesome, it's pretty much how I ran my old clan before becoming a leader of PPoP. I am definitely going to try and integrate that into PPoP as much as possible.
The other issue we are facing is finding a good middle ground. We want to be as fair as possible but firm enough without sliding into a dictatorship. I'm going to have a ponder over this tonight while I amend our charter. Our charter that I now realise is lacking a few required protocols.
I have methods in the works that will not only help solve our issue with the Overseer doing the complaining but will help the leadership team overall
Anyways, thanks again for the advice, hopefully we can resolve this soon.
As Mej has stated above, we never thought we'd ever have to demote an Overseer. We've always had a good team (bar a few minor disagreements). So writing up a precedence for this in our Clan Charter evaded us.
The Overseer in question has been removed as an Overseer and removed from our FB admin group. For me personally that is over and done with. The issue we are facing now, is the other Overseer defending his friend/fellow leader. A phrase I try to live by to the letter (even kicked one of my longest and best friends in RS in a past clan) is "Don't let friendship affect your leadership, and don't let leadership affect your friendship".
This is the problem I feel we are facing with the other Overseer. Our predicament is we have always seen Deputies, Overseers and Admins (to an extent) as equal; as much as a democracy as possible. Leta's term "suggestive autocracy" is awesome, it's pretty much how I ran my old clan before becoming a leader of PPoP. I am definitely going to try and integrate that into PPoP as much as possible.
The other issue we are facing is finding a good middle ground. We want to be as fair as possible but firm enough without sliding into a dictatorship. I'm going to have a ponder over this tonight while I amend our charter. Our charter that I now realise is lacking a few required protocols.
I have methods in the works that will not only help solve our issue with the Overseer doing the complaining but will help the leadership team overall
Anyways, thanks again for the advice, hopefully we can resolve this soon.
22-Sep-2013 18:23:46 - Last edited on 22-Sep-2013 18:25:00 by Kinky Spengo
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The other issue we are facing is finding a good middle ground. We want to be as fair as possible but firm enough without sliding into a dictatorship. I'm going to have a ponder over this tonight while I amend our charter. Our charter that I now realise is lacking a few required protocols.
that means i have to edit the public one on our clan forum. EFFORT!!!!
loljk, im glad i made enough reserves to do it
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1. William Shakespeare, Hamlet , Act III, Scene 1, line 96.
The other issue we are facing is finding a good middle ground. We want to be as fair as possible but firm enough without sliding into a dictatorship. I'm going to have a ponder over this tonight while I amend our charter. Our charter that I now realise is lacking a few required protocols.
that means i have to edit the public one on our clan forum. EFFORT!!!!
loljk, im glad i made enough reserves to do it
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23-Sep-2013 05:05:31
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