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Corugi

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I suggest this:

Make it quite clear that if anyone leaves voluntarily then they are never welcome back. Not under any circumstances.

Now Sookie, I think this is a rule that we should adopt. However before discussing that, there is one issue that needs our immediate attention. Since you have time to post here then of course you will have time to clarify your position regards the General rank in our clan discussion thread.

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04-Jan-2016 07:32:59

Lumine

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Corugi said :
Make it quite clear that if anyone leaves voluntarily then they are never welcome back. Not under any circumstances.

I disagree.

Some time ago, a few members of my clan left because they disagreed with how I handled a situation, and formed another clan. Some more members left because of loyalty to those members. There was some attempted poaching by the new clan.

I said to everyone who left, "You're leaving of your own free will. If you decide you can live with my decision and want to come back, reapply for membership. Otherwise, live long and prosper."

Several years later, most of those who left, including all of the most valuable ones, are back with us after their new clan fell to bits.

Simply because I was patient, assigned no blame, and left the door open.

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04-Jan-2016 14:33:26

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As it was mentioned earlier by tigergirl44, Most clan leaders I can assure you have this shirt,

Its nothing new and will continue to happen not just on RuneScape but in other games with clans/guilds.

I would say be honest with your clan members, and let them know what is happening and don't point fingers and blame people, keep calm otherwise believe me it won't end well in the long run. Let them also know that if they want to leave then they are free to do so but you would like them to stay.

Focus on retaining clan members and running your clan, when instances like these happens you will genuinely find out who the true friends and loyal members are as they will stick with you through the ups and down.

The below is something I wholeheartedly disagree with,

Corugi said :
I suggest this:

Make it quite clear that if anyone leaves voluntarily then they are never welcome back. Not under any circumstances.

At the end of the day we are all players and I personally would not want to remain in the clan if it no longer makes me happy I wouldn't stay.

In my clan so long as people don't leave on bad terms or get kicked for breaking the rule they are welcome to join back.

An example of this is a clan member of mine left as he wished to create a clan with his brother to see how it is to run a clan - they tried and saw it was difficult and returned, however they didn't try poach so I allowed them to return.

If you wish to discuss it feel free to pm me or tweet me and we can discuss it further.
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04-Jan-2016 18:35:23

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Lisaa

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Lumine said :
Corugi said :
Make it quite clear that if anyone leaves voluntarily then they are never welcome back. Not under any circumstances.

I disagree.

+1 Lumine

What I've also found is that having that "You're either with us or against us" attitude, and banning them from leaving can sometimes drive people away. Most of the time, our clan just welcomes people back and forgives them, which has actually made them more loyal members in the long-term because we stayed on friendly terms even when they left for a while. @Lisaa_RS - Followed by @Runescape
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04-Jan-2016 20:57:43

Seer of War

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Personally, we don't ever allow ringleaders of rebellions to rejoin our clan. I did once and a few months later they rebelled again and since then we have adopted a relatively hard line stance on this subject.

However, members that left without causing drama and did not participate in poaching efforts we generally will allow back after they have a discussion with me and I approve them to rejoin the clan.

This however, is on a case by case basis and unless I am confident of their intentions in rejoining I will not allow them to rejoin.

Above all, stay focused on your remaining clanmates and use events like this to strengthen your community. There's some really good advice in this thread, nice work everyone!

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05-Jan-2016 00:59:37

Tribelewits

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Yeh sadly stuff like that happens.

We've had to deal with this a few times already also, some start their own clan poach high ranked members, and even go that far they copy the clan systems they hated on when they were with us.

All in all its a compliment really, the taking the systems i mean, means we got a good thing running

The poaching is something else, but then again, don't be mad at anyone, clearly if they leave, they not really the friends you thought they were in the first place. Be glad they just leave and not have a few sneakingly stay, to try and destroy your clan from the inside. Again sadly enough, speaking from experience. Yes some peeps are that sad

The best advice is already in this thread. in situations like this it happens that the one who left just lies about why they left, and manipulates others to join them. Just somehow make sure your clannies know what exactly is going on, makes the ones worthed to stay with you actually stay. The rest is basically colateral damage, but tbh not worth fighting for. Proud Co-Owner of the Wolf
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05-Jan-2016 21:07:26

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Lisaa

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Really stupid idea here but....with all the issues we're having with poaching and attempts to undermine clans, do you guys think some new rules should be added to the report system?

-Repeated poaching off the same clan
-Attempts to undermine a clan or group @Lisaa_RS - Followed by @Runescape
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06-Jan-2016 13:14:42

Naruto 1001

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Lisaa said :
Really stupid idea here but....with all the issues we're having with poaching and attempts to undermine clans, do you guys think some new rules should be added to the report system?

-Repeated poaching off the same clan
-Attempts to undermine a clan or group
I don't think that's a good idea. Clan members wouldn't leave a clan if it were the better option, unless we're talking about brainwashing over here. Not sure if someone else is to blame for a clan failing to keep everyone together. Don't get me wrong, I dealt with this myself and it is an annoyance for sure, but we came out stronger. Along the way you will figure out why people leave and that is something you may want to act on. Part of the

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07-Jan-2016 01:20:57 - Last edited on 07-Jan-2016 01:24:08 by Naruto 1001

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Lisaa said :
Really stupid idea here but....with all the issues we're having with poaching and attempts to undermine clans, do you guys think some new rules should be added to the report system?

-Repeated poaching off the same clan
-Attempts to undermine a clan or group

Those are not rules we would implement and so we would not add them to the report system. Mod MattHe | Former Community Manager, now in Events & occasional Lore Monkey

07-Jan-2016 08:43:33

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Lumine said :
Corugi said :
Make it quite clear that if anyone leaves voluntarily then they are never welcome back. Not under any circumstances.

I disagree.
....
Simply because I was patient, assigned no blame, and left the door open.
This.

While it's tempting to take the divisive, no-compromise route, that will not help to solve the problem, will not make the clan feel any better about what's happened, and turns the clan leader into the problem - which will just reinforce what the defectors have said, and encourage others to follow them.

If you want your clan to succeed, your members must WANT to be with you. Divisiveness does not help in this area. Identifying and then tackling the problems that caused the defectors to want to leave is, however, also important, if you don't want the issue to fester.

Lisaa said :
Most of the time, our clan just welcomes people back and forgives them, which has actually made them more loyal members in the long-term because we stayed on friendly terms even when they left for a while.
Also this.

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07-Jan-2016 10:22:01 - Last edited on 07-Jan-2016 10:23:46 by Archaeox

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