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SpectreGh0st

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Kera said :
oh but look at how people describe the offsite stuff - i see 2 occasions of the word bad there already. That isn't really open to misinterpretation.
The word "bad" doesn't appear anywhere in the Google Form, this was changed due to feedback, as I said earlier.

Kera said :
To be honest, even by just calling yourselves Purge sets the wrong tone from the get go

Purge : to rid of whatever is impure or undesirable; cleanse; purify
I honestly don't see how judging our organization based by our name is very constructive. The name of the service we're providing is called "Clan Score," P.U.R.G.E. is just the name of the organization that owns it.

Kera said :
I'm still very interested in how you prevent fraud - someone doesn't need go to your site to see a clans citadel Tier. The rest of the questions are subjective and open to abuse in either direction.
As I've said before, that is not my area of focus. My job was to oversee development, and then post to the CLF to gather feedback.

03-Jan-2017 20:02:17

Lisaa
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I can kinda see where you're going with this, but at the same time I don't think it's a good idea. I think what you're going to find is that there'll be a lot of people making make reviews and almost no people leaving legitimate ones. I am going to leave a review of my clan though, if for nothing else because you've said it won't be deleted.

If your people are going to be working on things like this though, I'd suggest you ask people on CLF what they'd like most, rather than presenting a final product and coming here to seek approval.
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04-Jan-2017 00:20:11

Jamandy52
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Checking for fraud...

There are 5 members of my clan who use my computer. Me, my husband, my niece, my nephew, and my father. As it is a google doc, do they all 5 need to respond to the sheet logged into their gmail? Or if they all do it on saturday when they come over, will it be marked as a flag?

I have 7 groups of clanmates besides mine, with 2 or more members in their clan.

There are 17 total in this group.

So 8 households within my own clan, can account for 22 reviews of my clan.

How does 'fraud' handle this?

I would hate for legitimate people who take a survey to hurt their clan more than help?

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2. What keeps it fair?

Say you have some clannies who play maybe once a week. They don't care abt events or the citadel so they actually have zero idea what tier or how many events happen. By forcing every question to be answered, you will also get false information. Say I don't care for events. Clan has for example 5 events a week, 3 on the day I play. I choose 10 - more than 1 event a day - that's clearly not even a close representation.

Also, what stops me or any other clan leader from 'encouraging' positive ratings from our clanmates? There's no way for you to know what I did, or did not say to them.

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3. One of your questions, reads as follows:

How do you feel their external services (Skype, Discord, personal website, etc...) are? *
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What do events per day have to do with our external services? I actually stopped taking the survey at this point because we use our 'services' for more than events and I cannot understand why how frequent our events are would matter in regards to these. If it is about availability of services during events, you need to clarify the question.
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04-Jan-2017 00:46:03 - Last edited on 04-Jan-2017 00:48:23 by Jamandy52

Jamandy52
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Under the question -how active is the clan -

You have a typo "dau' at the end of the 50-100 mark.

Also, again, being a mandatory question, how does the Australian clan member who plays nights and sees 5 people have a fair response when say 50 actually play everyday but he only sees 5?

In reverse, the guy who sees 50 people on the only day he plays, saturday, is he supposed to tick 50 per day? Whn maybe it's only 30 on all the other days?
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04-Jan-2017 00:47:39 - Last edited on 04-Jan-2017 00:49:25 by Jamandy52

SpectreGh0st

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Jamandy52 said :
concerning fraud
As I've said multiple times now, I am not in charge of preventing fraud. That said, because of the way the form is set up, you are required to give your display name (for reference). If your scenario were a case of fraud, I'd imagine that our staff who check this would verify if the people whose usernames were used were actually the ones writing the reviews.

Jamandy52 said :
2. Concerning fairness
Ideally, it would be best if the person writing a review of their clan were somewhat knowledgeable of that clan to begin with. I also think it'd be commonsense to ask someone else in the clan if you're unsure of an answer.

Concerning "encouraging" people to review the clan, because usernames are required, I'd assume our staff would check if those people were all from the same clan and make a determination off of that.

Jamandy52 said :
3. One of your questions, reads as follows:
This was a typo and has been corrected, as has the "dau" typo :)

04-Jan-2017 01:51:50

Jamandy52
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Ideally, it would be best if the person writing a review of their clan were somewhat knowledgeable of that clan to begin with. I also think it'd be commonsense to ask someone else in the clan if you're unsure of an answer.

Concerning "encouraging" people to review the clan, because usernames are required, I'd assume our staff would check if those people were all from the same clan and make a determination off of that.




And then comes the question that, why wouldn't people in a clan want to review that clan? ;)

And then on the other side of the coin, if you have left a clan you review but changed your name, the prior clan may not have tracked name changes and may not be able to validate that account, even though it would be a legitimate review.

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Also with all the multitudes of questions regarding legitimacy concerns, posed by both myself and others, you may want to ask whoever is in charge to answer these questions for us rther than a blanket state of 'not my department so i have no idea'.
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04-Jan-2017 02:02:47 - Last edited on 04-Jan-2017 02:05:53 by Jamandy52

SpectreGh0st

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Jamandy52 said :
And then comes the question that, why wouldn't people in a clan want to review that clan? ;)
Exactly, which actually contradicts a prior concern by Subzero, who said the survey felt biased against clans.

Jamandy52 said :
And then on the other side of the coin, if you have left a clan you review but changed your name, the prior clan may not have tracked name changes and may not be able to validate that account, even though it would be a legitimate review.
Again, "not my department," but I do know services such as Runeclan are capable of tracking username changes and changes in clans.


Jamandy52 said :
Also with all the multitudes of questions regarding legitimacy concerns, posed by both myself and others, you may want to ask whoever is in charge to answer these questions for us rther than a blanket state of 'not my department so i have no idea'.
I will gather a list of concerns from this thread and have someone reply to them, with me posting his responses here.

04-Jan-2017 02:18:31 - Last edited on 04-Jan-2017 02:19:13 by SpectreGh0st

Jamandy52
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SpectreGh0st said :
Jamandy52 said :
And then comes the question that, why wouldn't people in a clan want to review that clan? ;)
Exactly, which actually contradicts a prior concern by Subzero, who said the survey felt biased against clans.

Jamandy52 said :
And then on the other side of the coin, if you have left a clan you review but changed your name, the prior clan may not have tracked name changes and may not be able to validate that account, even though it would be a legitimate review.
Again, "not my department," but I do know services such as Runeclan are capable of tracking username changes and changes in clans.


Jamandy52 said :
Also with all the multitudes of questions regarding legitimacy concerns, posed by both myself and others, you may want to ask whoever is in charge to answer these questions for us rther than a blanket state of 'not my department so i have no idea'.
I will gather a list of concerns from this thread and have someone reply to them, with me posting his responses here.


Cool thanks :)
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04-Jan-2017 02:37:16

Leader Rob

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I fully disagree with this system, a lot of leaders put a lot of effort in to their clans and this can be one of the things that can really demotivate a leader to be told they are doing a bad job especially when there are numerous reasons that someone could give/abuse the negative rank.

no support from me sorry
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04-Jan-2017 04:38:22

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