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Kera
Aug Member 2010

Kera

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Was passing by the bank at Burthorpe today and saw some one with a name I didn't like. Not far enough to be offensive as such, but not for me lets say. And that got me thinking

Does someones user name matter to you ?

I'm thinking more specifically when recruiting. Would a "bad" name put you off ? Bad could be anything, and peoples idea of what is a bad name is always going to be different. For example, I won't recruit someone with a drug related name; my reasoning is that if someone sees fit to call themselves a bad name, they are not the sort of person I want in clan - even without my having spoken to them.

What about if an existing and long term member changed their name to something bad, would you have them change it , and what if they didn't ?

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12-Jul-2017 18:49:07

DrBrokenBow

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I don't do much recruiting, but if I did I personally wouldn't choose anyone with an immature name, or something that could be considered offensive/inappropriate. Other than that, I'm fair game.

I prefer a mature clan with people who can have a laugh, even over some content that *some* may find offensive, but there has to be a limit, and if you can't resist making an immature name, then you probably wouldn't fit in. MrBrokenBow - Former Leader and Founder of
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12-Jul-2017 18:54:03

Macka
Oct Member 2010

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It does matter to me because I feel it in most cases reflects their mindset and maturity

I won't recruit any offensive names or anything that relates to being against my clans' rules

I wouldn't want any drama or confrontations in it offending anyone else
My physique is a product of my mindset

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13-Jul-2017 04:10:10 - Last edited on 13-Jul-2017 04:11:36 by Macka

Esploratore
Apr Member 2006

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Most often a player who has chosen a "bad" name is trying to get the type of attention and reactions that aren't a good fit for the clans in which I've been a part.

I did have one instance a long time ago of a tenured member having a drug-related name but it was literally years before someone explained to me what it referenced. By then, I thought it would be unfair to raise the issue since he'd proven he was a good guy long before the revelation. Chalk that one up to learning something new every day.

Once or twice through the years, I had a clannie change their name to something that wasn't a great reflection on them or the clan. When asked to choose another rsn as soon as they were able to, fortunately they were willing to do so.

I think it comes down to having members who respect and show consideration towards their fellow clan mates.

13-Jul-2017 05:47:36

Tigergal44

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Guests have been kicked for having inappropriate names - it is our Clan, we can have who we like in it and if a guest has a drug, racial or sexually offensive name then they can go elsewhere.

name changes are a bane - especially with different ages, cultures and languages in the Clan. titles make it even more interesting. A few would be recruits have been requested to change their name before joining us - if they argue then they are not the right for us.

The younger ones have now learnt from other's mistakes and often ask before changing. I allowed
Lady
Of the Night for example but put my foot down on I Touched
the cabin girl
. Although I laughed privately and applauded his immature ingenuity that individual was given the choice of exile from Clan chat until the name was changed or my kick finger firmly pressed against his name. He took his exile well and his willing behavior even earnt him brownie points with the older members.

13-Jul-2017 05:51:47

CuddleBucket

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For me it's about clan rules, & the environment you want to create.

If the name is content that you wouldn't encourage in clan chat, you can't allow it as a clan member name, as it will always be sitting there in the clan list, making it unrealistic to discourage that type of content being discussed.

As far as guests go, if it's blatant I'll just kick.
I've found it isn't worth the energy to have a discussion about it with the guest.
If they want to enquire after, I'm happy to chat about it.
If it's not too bad, I might allow them to guest for a day.
If I had any real concerns I'd make contact & discuss.
Any unresponsiveness I've learned is often game playing, & I'd then remove them & attempt to make contact via pm.

If there's any problems in an application, I'll address it then.
The application form is your best opportunity to help your clan & the prospective members to both determine if you are a good fit for each other.

I allow name changes, I don't refuse applications based on current names.
It's more about their attitude when you present them with your rules, & the reasoning if necessary.

I'm happy to explain the reasoning as a courtesy - most applicants have no idea what is required to run a clan & maintain respect between members from all over the world.

If the prospective member is happy to listen & accept, great, no drama, happy to recruit.
If it's clear they view it as more of a discussion, & essentially argue back about why your rules are stupid, I wouldn't recruit even with a name change.

If they state their views plainly, not argumentatively, and they are contrary to clan rules, but they are happy to change their name, I'll recruit them too.
I encourage discussion about anything, clan rules included, provided they show some awareness that the realities of running a clan may differ to idealism.
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13-Jul-2017 11:41:07

Ceecs
Mar Member 2010

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I do report people sometimes for offensive names, however sometimes it is not that offensive but still kinda is... I guess the people who look over the reports will consider that for me.

We did one time had a clannie who changed his name in somthing offensive in dutch and for that reason we kicked him. He was allowed to return to clan when he did namechange. Ceecs - leader of Ceecs Clan
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13-Jul-2017 11:53:59

CuddleBucket

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Regarding clan member name changes, the grace period they are given depends on how long they have been a clan member, or how positive they have been, or how they have contributed in other ways.

For example if it's a new clan member:
If they weren't in game when I discovered it, I would remove them & leave a note on our recruitment thread for them to contact me if they wished to rejoin.
If they were in game, I'd contact via pm, or ask in cc for them to contact me via pm.
I'd do so every 15 minutes for half an hour or an hour before removing & attempting to contact again.

If they spoke in cc after I requested them in cc to contact me via pm, that's a remove immediately red flag.
Also if you make contact via pm, & their is argumentative feedback, I'll generally remove immediately & continue pm discussion, rather than allow them to rage quit via a cc tirade.


We've sometimes found offensive name changes to unfortunately be hacked accounts.
They have to be removed from clan immediately regardless of circumstances, I notify Jagex with any info I have, & attempt to contact the clan member if I have their email.
We've had times where a clan member has been able to regain their account & we've been able to recruit back.
I don't tell them off, because I'm in no position to make judgements on someone elses circumstances, but I let them know if it happens again I can't keep allowing them back into the clan.
I encourage them to set all their account safety's & not use their details on any other sites.
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13-Jul-2017 11:56:56

CuddleBucket

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If it's a long term member, I may give them all the grace in the world.
Well, by that I mean up to 30 days.

The most important part is that they are receptive.
I don't have much patience for people who think the rules shouldn't apply to them.

So essentially their investment in the clan would determine how much patience I have.
There are people I consider equal owners with me, & would have trouble removing them under any circumstances.
But at the same time that would be very unlikely - they have got where they have through working side by side with me, & share similar values.

So provided they are receptive & understand, I have at least on 1 occasion given someone 30 days to change their name.
They said their little brother changed their name, & I think it's ok to give people the benefit of the doubt, even if it may seem unlikely - sometimes things happen.

I put the onus on them to make it clear to their clanmates when they are in game that their name is not ok & will be changed as soon as possible.
I've always found long term members apologetic & keen to right things as soon as possible in these situations.

If your rules are clearly established it should always come back to those.
You don't need to make rulings on individual words (despite people wanting you to), it's more about the intended goodwill & example setting to other clanmates.


It's possible for there to be grey areas, where something could really be on THAT LINE that you have to draw somewhere.
I mean it has to exist somewhere right?

If there is something that you feel could be allowed, but you could also see it potentially cause problems in remote circumstances, open it up to your other clan leaders.
It can be a cc discussion if you wish, but that wouldn't be my first option, I'd leave it to the guys that are involved in the day to day (or week to week) runnings of the clan, to decide if that name is ok or should be changed.

Fun chat, something you come across a lot as time goes on :)
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13-Jul-2017 12:10:52

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