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Seer of War

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Salcos said :
Lisaa said :
I'd like to think Jagex would be smart about it and simply delay it, not outright cancel it. My guess (if this is what would happen) is the clans rework would be placed on a queue behind more popular major updates for 2017. It would get done in 2017, but it wouldn't come first.

It shouldnt of been a player decision in the first place. It should of been a thing that should of happened regardless since it was the top supported idea on runelabs.

I dont understand how we can find dev time for horrible things like beach parties, port sarim invasions, meg cases, and treasure hunter promotions every weekend. But we cannot find dev time to fix something that we have been asking for, for years.

It definitely shouldn't be a player decision, in my opinion this is just Jagex's way to insulate themselves from unpopular decisions. Same with RuneLabs and the vote thing they did before those got cancelled. Its not designed to achieve the best results, its designed to give Jagex an excuse why bad decisions are not their fault. That's just my two cents, but I'm extremely cynical about Jagex's ability to fix the game and intentions in trying.

Edit: And btw I'm not going to spend my time garnering support ingame for something that should have happened years ago. At this point any clan updates are going to be too little too late for most clans (check runeclan to see what I mean, very few highly ranked clans these days).

Clans have been suffering for a while, only a few of the clans are doing well currently. Jagex needs to grow a pair and make executive decisions that are years past due. There was no problem when Jagex unilaterally included the 7 day wait, and that was an awful decision. If we haven't convinced Jagex of the importance of clan updates yet, not sure that will ever happen.
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20-Jul-2016 08:34:19 - Last edited on 20-Jul-2016 08:39:32 by Seer of War

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Here is my opinion on these updates.

A lot of these improvements listed in the rewrite are great, but even if we can't get "all" of them through, they are small enough where some of them would even suffice.

I know we have limited resources (Mod Matthe and Mod Maz are just 2 people), but i feel like a few of these permissions could be done on the side by making those unilateral decisions by those two people. It could even be as simple as 1-2 permission rewrites and just throw it in a patch note update.

Also, we know the Ninja Team does great fixes. Maybe we could just persuade Jagex to let them work with Mod Matthe and Mod Maz for a couple weeks to introduce 2 or 3 things.

The rewrite looks like 10-12 very small updates crammed into 1 medium-large update. Maybe this isn't feasible for the amount of resources availble to us? Lets break it up a bit and go from there.
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20-Jul-2016 16:37:58

Mod Matthe

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GEE0H said :
Here is my opinion on these updates.

A lot of these improvements listed in the rewrite are great, but even if we can't get "all" of them through, they are small enough where some of them would even suffice.

I know we have limited resources (Mod Matthe and Mod Maz are just 2 people), but i feel like a few of these permissions could be done on the side by making those unilateral decisions by those two people. It could even be as simple as 1-2 permission rewrites and just throw it in a patch note update.

Also, we know the Ninja Team does great fixes. Maybe we could just persuade Jagex to let them work with Mod Matthe and Mod Maz for a couple weeks to introduce 2 or 3 things.

The rewrite looks like 10-12 very small updates crammed into 1 medium-large update. Maybe this isn't feasible for the amount of resources availble to us? Lets break it up a bit and go from there.

I am not a developer, but instead a Community Manager. You don't want me writing code without heavy supervision :)

Mod Maz is working on OSRS.

But that is not the issue, while the code is complex it is QA time that is the real drain on any Clan based project. Small changes still requires days upon days of testing and that means they are not small changes. I would expect a Clan Rewrite to include changes to the code that would mean that testing would not be so deep a problem for any future changes as well as those being made as part of that update. Mod MattHe | Former Community Manager, now in Events & occasional Lore Monkey

20-Jul-2016 17:05:30 - Last edited on 21-Jul-2016 07:50:38 by Mod Matthe

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Aaron FTC said :
When will we know the outcome of the surveys?

Will we be told how the voting went, and what the results were?
(As far as it concerns the clan rewrite)

I believe you will know the broad outcome at RuneFest; we are discussing the feedback we have had so far already internally! Mod MattHe | Former Community Manager, now in Events & occasional Lore Monkey

21-Jul-2016 11:43:50

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Mod Matthe said :
The survey is for 2017 content and there is quite simply more in those lists than could possibly be done next year, even with a significant increase in resource. The Clan Rewrite will have to place highly in order to be sure of being included in the 2017 schedule.

If the Clan Rewrite is not due in 2017 then it does not mean it will never happen, but it won't happen in that year; in that case I would expect small tweaks and QoL changes to be made instead.

I can see clan rewrites becoming the new Rite of Passage if it doesn't make it into the 2017 list Creator of the Clan Leader Discord & Clan Discord
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21-Jul-2016 18:29:56

Mod Matthe

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Leader Rob said :
Mod Matthe said :
The survey is for 2017 content and there is quite simply more in those lists than could possibly be done next year, even with a significant increase in resource. The Clan Rewrite will have to place highly in order to be sure of being included in the 2017 schedule.

If the Clan Rewrite is not due in 2017 then it does not mean it will never happen, but it won't happen in that year; in that case I would expect small tweaks and QoL changes to be made instead.

I can see clan rewrites becoming the new Rite of Passage if it doesn't make it into the 2017 list

Yep - I can see that if it does not make the list :) Mod MattHe | Former Community Manager, now in Events & occasional Lore Monkey

22-Jul-2016 08:13:07

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Enough.


This is ridiculous, the whole thing, every aspect, including the slightest NOTION that the clan rewrite might not occur in 2017. At this point, it should be ironclad.

Granted some of the things on the 2017 wishlist are a tad extreme to expect, or wouldn't make sense, but let's say the small percentage of those ideas is maybe 10% against a mountain made up of 90% good ideas.

Mod Matthe:
"There is quite simply more in those lists than could possibly be done next year, even with a significant increase in resource."


How can there be any question of off putting that 90% Clan rework full of good updates? How!? And what do you expect at this point!? After years of negligence towards them. If every update aspect of RS was related, and I mean everything such as: PvM updates, Skill updates, Quests, Graphics, Treasure Hunter, and so on. If they were all related and at a bizarre family reunion, Clan and Community updates would be the twice removed Uncle nobody remembers or cares about, only invited out of pity that he still lives to be ripped off another day.

Some on this forum say clans will just continue existing, as they were, in their current state of mediocrity. Archaeox said: clans are, above all, about people. He is right. Which is why I cannot fathom how things have gotten to this point. Yes clans have existed since before Citadels, yes there may always be something new we'd like, but if we really are an important part of a huge number of peoples RS experience, why is the community side of this game so malnourished?

And another thing, while Jagex is busy presenting Pack Yak Plushies to their community, most big updates concerning rival MMO games involve what exactly? Community related updates and patches. This game could go so much further if it could actually DO the things the people PLAYING it actually ASK for.
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23-Jul-2016 02:44:46

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