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Abby Taylor
Nov Member 2019

Abby Taylor

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Daddy Roshi said :
Abby Taylor said :
f a k e news said :
Give them a special attack bar just like with ripper demons.


This is a great suggestion ^_^
I'll add it to my OP.
while it is a good idea I dont see how it would work if its random it would have to be set to a specific interval and if that happens like u want whos to stop bots from botting it again? I understand it was made to prevent bots and yes there are less of them around but they still exist regardless so adding a feature to show when it does the orb effect will just allow them to come back and bot them again its just a matter of making a new script to make them stop attacking when the bar is almost full defeats the purpose of the orb entirely


What exactly is stopping somebody from making a bot that stops attacking when the orb shows up then?
If adding any kind of indication to the dragon that the orb will show up, why can't bots just detect the orb in the same way?

There are pvp bots that detect items players are wearing, spells used, etc etc.

I dont think changing the orb will suddenly have an influx of bots flooding in.
I dont think removing it would even cause more bots to flood in.

Modern bot detection programs are so efficient at catching bots, that most bots are very low level accounts farming up resources for a week handing them off to a mule and then getting banned.

Nobody risks botting on main accounts.

in order to kill frost dragons you need fairly high combat stats as well at 85 dungeoneering.
I highly doubt that people are going to grind to 85 DG to bot frost dragons for a week.
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29-May-2022 01:07:12

Realm Reaper
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I don't mind there being an indication before the Frost Dragon Orb appears, but I wouldn't alter the timing of the orb spawn. If Frost Dragon Orbs appeared completely at random, they would be a lot more difficult to kill successfully. I would hate to see that happen because then players would almost be forced to take on one at a time.

As for a Frost Dragon King Boss, I'd love to see an orb spawn randomly with an indication but for the standard frost dragons, keep the timing the same but the indicator would be a good addition as for graphics and mechanics.
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29-May-2022 08:08:37

Daddy Roshi
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Abby Taylor said :
in order to kill frost dragons you need fairly high combat stats as well at 85 dungeoneering.
I highly doubt that people are going to grind to 85 DG to bot frost dragons for a week.
then whats wrong with them having a killer orb? isnt it a great introduction to bosses that use mechanics? even if theyre random? feels like good practice to me if u need fairly high combat stats to kill them
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29-May-2022 17:19:41

Abby Taylor
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Daddy Roshi said :
Abby Taylor said :
in order to kill frost dragons you need fairly high combat stats as well at 85 dungeoneering.
I highly doubt that people are going to grind to 85 DG to bot frost dragons for a week.
then whats wrong with them having a killer orb? isnt it a great introduction to bosses that use mechanics? even if theyre random? feels like good practice to me if u need fairly high combat stats to kill them


It's a poor introduction, because the orbs have no predictability or indication. It's not telegraphed to the player in anyway.

it just shows up instantly, and your auto attack within that tick can't be canceled.

Like I said, just add some indication that it's about to show up, so the player can step back without instakilling themselves.
Reflecting attacks like this actually make the enemy more dangerous against high level players who have enough damage to kill themselves with an attack.

Still my argument stands:

This was made to stop BOTS, Not normal players.
Bot prevention measures should not be annoying and DEADLY to non bot players, it's bad design.
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30-May-2022 00:58:32

Abby Taylor
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Realm Reaper said :
I don't mind there being an indication before the Frost Dragon Orb appears, but I wouldn't alter the timing of the orb spawn. If Frost Dragon Orbs appeared completely at random, they would be a lot more difficult to kill successfully. I would hate to see that happen because then players would almost be forced to take on one at a time.

As for a Frost Dragon King Boss, I'd love to see an orb spawn randomly with an indication but for the standard frost dragons, keep the timing the same but the indicator would be a good addition as for graphics and mechanics.


The orbs ALREADY appear at random.
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30-May-2022 00:59:22

Abby Taylor
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GhostlyBard said :
The orbs pretty much the only thing that makes these dragons interesting, and a slight challenge. So I’d honestly prefer for it to stay.


Maybe we should add a CAPTCHA before interacting with any skilling locations.

Hell add the orb to every tree in the game to since it's SOOOOO FUN.
Have the orb kill skiller instantly if they are chopping when it appears.
But just like frost dragons, don't give any indication when the orb will appear, make it completely random and instant.

Turn fishing into a boss fight so that it's more challenging and engaging great idea!
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30-May-2022 01:01:29 - Last edited on 30-May-2022 02:27:54 by Abby Taylor

Realm Reaper
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Abby Taylor said :
Realm Reaper said :
I don't mind there being an indication before the Frost Dragon Orb appears, but I wouldn't alter the timing of the orb spawn. If Frost Dragon Orbs appeared completely at random, they would be a lot more difficult to kill successfully. I would hate to see that happen because then players would almost be forced to take on one at a time.

As for a Frost Dragon King Boss, I'd love to see an orb spawn randomly with an indication but for the standard frost dragons, keep the timing the same but the indicator would be a good addition as for graphics and mechanics.


The orbs ALREADY appear at random.


It's actually timed to where it then becomes random. I've been killing these things for a very long time.
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30-May-2022 05:29:56

Rikornak
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It's just yet another mechanic, that never was done with the EoC and its way quicker damage dealing potential in mind. I certainly do not think, that this attack should be removed, but I guess some kind of indication, that it is going to happen within the next couple of ticks wouldn't hurt. Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
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30-May-2022 05:46:35 - Last edited on 30-May-2022 05:48:01 by Rikornak

GhostlyBard

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Abby Taylor said :
GhostlyBard said :
The orbs pretty much the only thing that makes these dragons interesting, and a slight challenge. So I’d honestly prefer for it to stay.


Maybe we should add a CAPTCHA before interacting with any skilling locations.

Hell add the orb to every tree in the game to since it's SOOOOO FUN.
Have the orb kill skiller instantly if they are chopping when it appears.
But just like frost dragons, don't give any indication when the orb will appear, make it completely random and instant.

Turn fishing into a boss fight so that it's more challenging and engaging great idea!

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30-May-2022 07:38:21

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