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Xavathos
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Whatusaytome said :



I think the hiding of pets in combat academy was more of a server performance issue than a player one. It's been so long ago, so I don't remember the patch notes exactly, but I remember it was causing issues on Jagex's side as well and they decided to step in, which is perfectly reasonable. It isn't just pets that scale back though, it's also players, it's everything that moves there and you also can't control which models you see, and which you don't. There's a huge difference between that and what you're suggesting here.

What isn't fair about this is explained in my previous post in detail, but I'll repeat myself once again for you: Your lag is a product of a (poor) choice you'd made of playing RuneScape either on a system incapable of doing so comfortably, having settings higher than it can run comfortably, or setting your personal standards to what is comfortable too high in comparison to what your system can produce for you. You can agree with that I would hope, right?

So now, you're suggesting that in order to improve that lag, other players should be limited in what content they can show to players around them, despite them having literally paid for this content, in order to solve the issue that was born from your poor choice. Furthermore, you're suggesting that you as a player have the power to say what others can and cannot show you. It's a totally backwards way of thinking.

If I play on a potato, I expect potato performance. I'm not going to punish the everyone else who take care of their systems and make sure they get the best experience they can for the content they wish to view, just so I can get a few frames on my potato. I could ask for help, but people are in no way, shape or form responsible for my issues and demanding help is disrespectful imo.

It's not about the dollar vs player that you keep repeating. It's about your way of thinking and what you're willing to do to fix your issues. Be the change you would like to see in the world.

14-Aug-2019 10:51:23 - Last edited on 14-Aug-2019 10:55:18 by Xavathos

Whatusaytome
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Mr Gatsby said :
Whatusaytome said :

many people lag because of them...Are you just selfish and not care about other people?

This is the exact reason why I bought. I'm not selfish or entitled lol, I just like to annoy people sometimes. So you admit the reason you dont support giving other people an option is because you intend on annoying them. Thanks for being honest. Now we know your opinion is worth nothing.
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14-Aug-2019 12:45:00

Whatusaytome
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Xav, I will repeat this for you. Jagex wants a larger population of players. In order to do that, they cant only cater to people whose computers only support high settings. They need to expand their settings to make the game easier to play for people without high end technology. So they can have more people able and willing to play.

If you can't understand that, that's your fault. Settings like this exist for that same purpose. Ever since shadows were released, theres been a setting to toggle them off. Ever since high detail has been out, there's been a minimum detail. And as I said before, minimum settings aren't perfect.

The Combat academy was done because of a poll, not because it was a server issue. You dont remember the notes so dont try to explain it to me. Players voted that pets were one of the most annoying parts of the combat academy and Jagex made that area null of pets that weren't yours. Everybody can use their pet as they wish, but you never have to see theirs again.

That was the update. But that's not this suggestion. This suggestion makes it optional worldwide, instead of forced worldwide minus one locale.

I don't care who bought the pet to show off because they didn't buy it for me specifically. And if they did I want my right to refuse it. They can show off to everybody else who leaves their setting on. My settings do nothing to them and they will get over it when they realize they can't tell my settings are off.

You need to get off your high horse thinking this game is only meant for people with ultra detail worthy computers. You probably don't even know that some teleport animations cause people lagg.

Also, for hopefully the last time. The only person this setting limits is the user. Nobody is limited about anything they intend to show. I limit myself in what I can see. That's it.
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14-Aug-2019 12:55:51 - Last edited on 14-Aug-2019 13:57:55 by Whatusaytome

Whatusaytome
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I'd recommend reading through this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/bjwr1y/coming_this_monday_from_the_ninjas_hiding_other/

And here are the patch notes.

http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/forums.ws?442,443,19,66098528
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14-Aug-2019 13:01:43 - Last edited on 14-Aug-2019 13:09:18 by Whatusaytome

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Mr Gatsby said :
Alright, personally I enjoy seeing drakes during events, which is why I got one myself. No support for toggling them off.
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14-Aug-2019 14:37:23

Xavathos
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Whatusaytome, first you refuse to even acknowledge my point, which is well explained about 6 or 7 times now, then you start throwing a bunch of accusations around, and now you're speaking as if you know what Jagex wants.

I'm not on any high horse, I already said I don't care either way what happens with drakes personally, because I don't care about all this, but this suggestion of yours is a step in the wrong direction objectively, because it places power meant for developers only into the hands of players and that's always a bad move, 100% of the time. Also, you're making other people pay for your lack of proper system specs. Read the minimum requirements, meet them or lower your expectations. That's the reality of things and that's all it will ever be. Deal with it.

How many times do I have to tell you that we're not going to agree on this? It'll sooner snow the Tzhaar fight cave, mate, stop trying. Be the change you would like to see in the world.

14-Aug-2019 20:28:02 - Last edited on 14-Aug-2019 20:30:23 by Xavathos

Whatusaytome
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I won't stop defending the topic. I haven't heard one GOOD reason for it not to be implemented, only that you blame players for not having the capability to play smoothly after Jagex added unnecessary content. If you won't agree to it then you can agree to disagree, give a solid No Support answer, and I'll stay for the occasional new people like Gatsby.

If Jagex wants more players, as I'm 100% sure they do, as they still do patch notes and updates every week.. then they should never make their game unplayable. I cant understand why you still believe it's the players fault for Lagging when Jagex updated their previously playable game with loads of higher usage updates. This game use to run much more smoothly on Potatos, before NXT, before large pets, before summoning, and before Solomons store.

The blame is on Jagex for losing players by forcing players to either upgrade their tech or quit. It is Jagexs responsibility to adjust for that, if they don't want to lose their members. They've adjusted all kinds of content to be more user-friendly and they can continue doing so.

It's not OK to just force people to upgrade their tech when the game they were fine playing before forces new, unwanted content that drains usage on every player. Jagex is a multimillion dollar company that makes profits on membership before adding in their profits on mtx, if they cant make their game user friendly that means they arent trying.

But who knows, maybe Jagex intends to lose players just to make the game pretty and only playable by wealthier players. But I doubt that.

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Tl:dr, I still see this as a beneficial idea, and the reasons against it are petty and don't change my mind. I dont support victim blaming, and I dont support intentional trolling. What I support is smoother gameplay for anybody in need of it.
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14-Aug-2019 21:16:45 - Last edited on 14-Aug-2019 23:28:20 by Whatusaytome

Xavathos
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Whatusaytome said :

Tl:dr, I still see this as a beneficial idea, and the reasons against it are petty and don't change my mind. I dont support victim blaming, and I dont support intentional trolling. What I support is smoother gameplay for anybody in need of it.

That's a bit hypocritical to say when in your view, your "smoother gameplay for anybody in need of it" is paid for by those who do not and the tax collector is the player that chooses to collect it.

I'd be absolutely dumbstruck if Jagex would ever agree to this. By all means, keep soldiering on, but if you'd have spent as much time working as you have spent trying to convince me of abandoning my point, you'd be able to solve your lag problem by now yourself, without ripping off other players. Be the change you would like to see in the world.

15-Aug-2019 00:24:10

Draco Burnz
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Xavathos said :

That's a bit hypocritical to say when in your view, your "smoother gameplay for anybody in need of it" is paid for by those who do not and the tax collector is the player that chooses to collect it.

I'd be absolutely dumbstruck if Jagex would ever agree to this. By all means, keep soldiering on, but if you'd have spent as much time working as you have spent trying to convince me of abandoning my point, you'd be able to solve your lag problem by now yourself, without ripping off other players.

Exactly.

Love how they think money just grows on trees when its infact only because of ppl who do use MTX.
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