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Dreamweaver
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Hey Matt!

Thanks for stopping round and reading this tale. That is high praise indeed! My name certainly doe not belong up there with the likes of Tolkien, Lewis, and Rowling, but who knows... maye one day I'll push myself into trying to get something published. It'd need a lot more editing and nitty-gritty work than I've put into any of my pieces thus far though.

Thanks too for your correction comments. Based on how the story is written, I fear that I will have to keep the Dwarven mages in, even if that's a departure from Jagex's RuneScape version of the dwarf - thanks for your depth of knowledge though. As for the typo, I'll keep an eye out. :)

Much obliged! Your time and attention is highly appreciated!

Dreamweaver

31-Aug-2007 06:57:45 - Last edited on 31-Aug-2007 06:57:54 by Dreamweaver

Citizen Meme
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Not a problem...

I'm just saying you have an incredibly high potential. I have always loved books, and 5 years ago, I started my dream to become an author. I have had many comments, stating that I'm good... But my technique is terrible if it were to stand against yours.

Be sure to check in Writers of Varrock, there is something you might want to see.


EDIT: you think you can read my story, //The Lord of Chaos\\? I only have one reader, even though it's been out there for a half-year... Be sure to notify me of any mistakes, please! (if you read it, of course)

31-Aug-2007 18:05:45 - Last edited on 31-Aug-2007 18:40:29 by Citizen Meme

Dreamweaver
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Thanks so much, Matt! Your "Writer of the Month" award was unexpected and very welcome! Recognition such as that really helps spur me on to continue writing.

I have no problem with you mentioning your story here. I'll certainly read it and let you know what I think as soon as I find the time. Does that story have any outstanding applications with The Yanillian Library or The Amethyst Library? I am a reviewer at both those establishments, so if you have not already done so (forgive me for not checking before I write this), feel free to apply to either or both and you'll get in line for a certain review there.

Thanks again, and keep chasing that dream to become an author. Practice and hard work are everything!

Dreamweaver

01-Sep-2007 08:28:54 - Last edited on 01-Sep-2007 08:29:34 by Dreamweaver

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foof. I am being overwhelmed by school and Writers of Varrock and the stories I am writing, especially cause one of 'em are bad. Maybe I should juggle less stories at a time, to begin with... :|

Anyway, I recomend that you look through EVERYTHING and try to correct it PERFECTlY, because I am starting something called "Writers United." It is a place where all guilds join, if they like, and accept stories that have PERFECT grammer and spelling, with a good plot. If you change the few things I probably missed and the one I found then lost, I am sure you could be accepted.

05-Sep-2007 22:14:16

Maia Smith

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Señor Matt,

Just because it's important to be clear on these things, especially when one is discussing a standard that one wishes to hold others to, please define perfect grammar.

Perfect American grammar or perfect non-American grammar? I can tell you from experience that there are some minor grammatical points (mostly dealing with punctuation, spelling--yes, I count that in grammar--and prepositions) that differ between American grammar and UK grammar.

How perfect is perfect? One mistake in over thirty-five posts? Zero mistakes in over thirty-five posts? And then, how perfect can one reasonably expect out of a person? Mistakes are inevitable, even for the best of us. (And we, and others who read our works, don't always find them.)

For example let us consider sentence fragments. Now, technically, sentence fragments are grammatically incorrect, yet in a story they can be used to good effect to provide emphasis. Further, they can lend verisimilitude to dialogue. People speak in fragments.

What about syntax? English is a language where word order can be very important to the meaning of a sentence. Strange syntax can, in the Fine Arts world of writing, be used for impact.

Having read much of Señor Dream's works, I have been quite impressed with his grammar--nearly perfect in the last story I read, and even then the discrepancy was with a semi-colon. If you only found one mistake in this 35+ post story, I'd say that counts as being perfect.

~ El Pook

(This post is not intended to be taken as a defense of DW's story.)

DW, Now I feel like breaking your story down and analyzing it. Maybe I'll settle for reading it again.

06-Sep-2007 01:57:29 - Last edited on 06-Sep-2007 02:07:26 by Maia Smith

Orbestro
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Heh. That question wasn't directed at me, yet I feel like answering it anyway.

The nitty-gritty details of grammar vary depending where you live, hence you cannot have 'perfect' grammar. You can have excellent grammar - and as long as it is not overly noticable, plain old good grammar often suffices in stories that are not intended to be published.

Personally, I find that finer details of grammar utterly pointless. The point of grammar it to make language perfectly clear - if anyone honestly believes that the placement of a comma after a parenthesis affects clarity than they have another thing coming...I say that because I've seen intelligent, gifted writers arguing over that very topic.

~ O_o rbie
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06-Sep-2007 02:02:28 - Last edited on 06-Sep-2007 02:05:43 by Orbestro

Maia Smith

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Personally, I find that finer details of grammar utterly pointless. The point of grammar it to make language perfectly clear
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I would accept that.

I've gotten into arguments with a certain grammar tyrant over semi-colons and commas.

But, really, that's pretty pointless. There are few people who can use a semi-colon correctly. Mercedes Lackey being one of the ones who'll use them incorrectly (VAE!).

Dream's story is highly readable. And really, that's what we're aiming for. (Oh no! An end of the sentence preposition! Oh, the shame!)

06-Sep-2007 02:13:48 - Last edited on 06-Sep-2007 02:14:26 by Maia Smith

Dreamweaver
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My goodness! My work's being cited as a good example in a grammar debate? How much do I owe you, Maia?

I happen to agree that good readability is the primary goal in a setting such as this forum. Orb is quite correct that we're not generally working towards perfection. Honestly, even if we were fighting to get anything we wrote here published, it would be so chewed up by the whole editing process prior to getting anywhere near a printing press that minor grammar inaccuracies would not be of immediate concern anyway.

I'm not trying to sound dismissive of my mistakes, you understand. I fix them as I find them. But I'd never claim to have *anything* perfect in my writing, grammar included.

I am, however, of a somewhat different opinion when it comes to spelling. I have a very low tolerance for mis-spelled words, especially as just about *everyone* (with minimal imagination) can find a spell checker. Yes, I know it won't catch everything, but if you're going to post something for the world to see, you might as well read back through it once or twice yourself to save some self-respect!

So when I review works (or just plain read them for my own amusement), I am much more likely to resort to skim-reading, or give up entirely, if I'm bogged down with incomphrehensible spelling.

And Matt, don't overstretch yourself, but I'll keep an eye out for your new 'United' thread. Feel free to post a quick-find wotsit to it on here once you've got it going. ;)

Dreamweaver

06-Sep-2007 05:42:45 - Last edited on 06-Sep-2007 05:53:06 by Dreamweaver

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Grammar need not be sacrified for the sake of readability. The grammars of English were created to ensure clarity in written work. Its misuse is only an advantage to the illusioned and the misinformed. More often than not, readability is the excuse for poor grammar, the way authors try to wriggle out of positions when someone who appreciates the importance of grammar arrives and corrects them.


-- Torpeh.

06-Sep-2007 19:06:42 - Last edited on 06-Sep-2007 19:07:14 by [#85QZ2X6LC]

Orbestro
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Well, I certainly can't argue with Torpeh - not because I fully agree, but that his fierce intelligence rather terrifies me.

Misspelling irks me too, Dream, but only with things like 7331 speak and stupid stuff (example: dolfin). Misuse of the 'there's bothers me, but I so rarely use the right one on the first try I can't be particular XD

~ O_o rbie
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06-Sep-2007 22:44:54

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