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NotFishing

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Azigarath said :
Yes, very close, with similar culture too. Of course, it is likely that there were some Ancient Egyptians at least interested in foreign customs too, and not impossible that cultural dress was imported and exported back and forth.


Egypt did conquer Nubia at one point, I'm pretty sure, and it was also very big on trade. As it turned out, being the only country on the Mediterranean that produced and exported papyrus (paper before it was cool) was quite profitable.

They were also tolerant of other cultures - you could worship your own gods and such. Also, at one point they seemed to have free speech - poems were found that criticized the current pharaoh's reign, and they hadn't been destroyed. Unlike Akhenaten's attempt to reform the Egyptian religion - after he died they immediately reverted back to the old way and tried to destroy everything related to him.

Or at least, that's what I learned in History class.
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25-Nov-2015 13:30:40 - Last edited on 25-Nov-2015 14:16:37 by NotFishing

Azigarath

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Ah yes, there are many things of Ancient Times that can relate to today's world. Egypt was powerful when it had freedom of speech, religious tolerance, and open trade. The Middle Kingdom did a good job putting things together, but afterwards, fundamentalism began to break things apart. Egypt would never recover from that, and then, after Alexander the Great conquered, Egypt's Pharaoh's were of Macedonian/Greek/Hellenistic descent until the civil wars of Rome.

Nowadays, there is frequent attacks into freedom of speech and expression, as well as the demand to be non-white, anti-religion and pro-popularity, a few main aspects that go against individualism. When a culture abandons its own heritage, a foreign one will take its place. This can be seen in Germany, the UK and Sweden, over reasons anyone can probably guess.

25-Nov-2015 19:37:00 - Last edited on 25-Nov-2015 19:37:17 by Azigarath

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Annie1227 said :
-sneaks to the cookie jar-

-steals the cookie jar-

-runs away-


Uhm ... I never put cookies in the jar ....

= sirens sound =
Annie! You are under arrest~
For your crimes of stealing cookies, you are hereby sentenced to writing a 2000 character essay ... on the deliciousness of the cookie ... what? really? who wrote that?
Oh well.
May the gods have mercy upon your soul as they condemn you to this horrible punishment.

25-Nov-2015 21:00:51

NotFishing

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Being anti-religion doesn't go against individualism any more than being religious does. Historically, religion has been used to oppress and kill people. Also, if you are say, Christian, that means you don't believe in Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. are real, which technically makes you anti-religion even if you do have a religion yourself. Sure, you may tolerate those religions, but you don't believe in them and if you could only have one religion dominate the world, you would pick your own one.

As for freedom of speech and whatnot... what is freedom of speech, exactly? The right to say whatever you want? Well you can't say whatever you want - some things just aren't socially acceptable. Then there are the groups that complain and complain about an 'issue' in today's society, and say they have the right to do so because of free speech, but the moment anyone voices a legitimate counter to their complaints they either attack or dismiss that person (plenty of modern day feminists are just bat**** crazy.) We will never be completely free, from the government or from each other.

What you need to remember is that Egypt wasn't all that free. Sure, you could criticize the pharaoh, but they could conscript you to build pyramids or fight in the military whenever they wanted to. If you were refused, you were forced to do something even worse, like working in an isolated desert quarry where all the dust and sand in the air will eventually kill you.

Anyways, back to the modern day. I have found it extremely ironic that in society's push to politically correct, "equal", "accepting", and "free", we are becoming more and more restrictive of free speech. Whenever you raise a valid and non-bigoted opinion (ie. why should we be able to identify as any gender? Shouldn't we accept who and what we are instead of living in denial?) you are labeled as a bigot and dismissed.
Beneath the gold, the Bitter Steel.

25-Nov-2015 21:47:18

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Azigarath said :
Nowadays, there is frequent attacks into freedom of speech and expression, as well as the demand to be non-white, anti-religion and pro-popularity, a few main aspects that go against individualism. When a culture abandons its own heritage, a foreign one will take its place. This can be seen in Germany, the UK and Sweden, over reasons anyone can probably guess.


As a UK resident I have no clue what heritage abandonment you're referring to.
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25-Nov-2015 22:46:56

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