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Azi Demonica

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Annie1227 said :
It was from the book called eragon. Ah, never read that one, but I can understand how novels inspire us. I got lots of inspiration from Clive Barker's stuff, even though I've only read The Hellbound Heart.



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Ah, so that's the difference and clarification of Zamorak and Bandos. I thought Bandos was the chaos god, and Zamorak the demon god. As usual, I can't seem to ever grasp lore. Zamorak is a psychopath, Bandos is a sadist. Or that's how I'd classify them, but a more professional psychologist/lore master could have a better answer.

06-Apr-2019 05:39:17

NotFishing

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Azi Demonica said :

I thought Bandos was the chaos god, and Zamorak the demon god.


Zamorak is the god who is worshiped by demons, yes. Though the demons have their own complex history.

There are two classes of demons: Chthonic, and Avernic.

The Chthonics are these tentacled abominations, who can absorb the memories of whatever they eat. They were the ones in power.

The Avernics are the traditional demons (horns, tail, etc.). They are all force. They were slaves to the Chthonics.

In his travels, Zaros encountered the Chthonic demons, who promptly tried to con Zaros into becoming their slave. Zaros managed to twist the deal around so that they ended up serving him instead, and he took their armies to Gielnor.

Later, the Avernic demons agreed to support Zamorak's betrayal of Zaros, on the condition that Zamorak then help free them from the Chthonics. He agreed, and after 'killing' Zaros he went to help them. All the Chthonics were killed or exiled.

Azi Demonica said :

Zamorak is a psychopath


No no, Zamorak is a Darwinist. You could make a case that he is also a sociopath, but the same could be said for most of the gods.

Saradomin, for example, has been known to genocide entire civilizations simply because they didn't want to worship him. Zaros has tortured and killed countless creatures in the name of progress. Armadyl and Seren do have empathy, but their naivety has caused just as much damage as the other gods. Bandos we have already talked about. Beneath the gold, the Bitter Steel.

06-Apr-2019 05:47:09 - Last edited on 06-Apr-2019 05:51:35 by NotFishing

Azi Demonica

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Interesting, I never knew that there were two kinds of demons in Gielinor. Chthonics and Avernics, peculiar. I recall Averna in an artwork, depicting this woman that transformed into this huge, ugly, tentacled monster. I'll need to do some research about these terms!

Ah, Zamorak is more of a Darwinist, a guy who wants natural selection. Saradomin could be the psychopath, then. Thanks again for the clarifications, I'd never figure these out.

06-Apr-2019 05:51:16

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Azi Demonica said :
I never knew that there were two kinds of demons in Gielinor.


That's the thing, there aren't any more. As I said, the Chthonics were all killed or exiled. Beneath the gold, the Bitter Steel.

06-Apr-2019 05:52:10 - Last edited on 06-Apr-2019 05:52:19 by NotFishing

Azi Demonica

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But there used to be Chthonics! But ya, if they're gone, there's not much to know. Anyways, chthonic / chthonian means 'of the underworld' so whatever these tentacled things were, came from hell, presumably.

As for Avernics, I'm guessing the word comes from Averna, an Italian last name with a meaning I couldn't find out. One website claims it means 'queen of the underworld' in Latin, but that can't be right, because queen in Latin is regina, and the several versions of underworld / hell don't sound anything like averna. There is also no Latin girl's name that goes by Averna; the closest I could find is Avril, which means 'open' or 'openness' (of feelings?).

By removing the A, you get Verna, the first name, and it's variations, all mean alder (alder tree). In Latin, as an adjective, it means 'of spring' or 'springtime' or 'vernal'. As a noun, it refers to a family slave or household slave.

By adding an L to Averna, you get Laverna, the Roman goddess of thievery and associated with the underworld. The meaning of her name seems to be 'robber' or 'bath robber' (thieves who stole from people while they bathed).

By separating the A but using it in the name in Latin, 'a verna' you basically get 'after/away from springtime/vernal' or 'after/away from slave'. Only makes sense to mean 'after-slave' so maybe these demons originated from slaves of some sort.

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06-Apr-2019 16:50:04

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To this day, there are a number of demons that are still loyal to Zaros.

Please remember that the 'gods' of Runescape aren't exactly the embodiment of an attribute (ie: Order, Chaos, etc). It's just that they are individuals whose own personalities trend that way. So if they died, it's not like that aspect would be lost from the universe.

Saradomin is about order and control. Essentially think of him as an attempt to be an eternal monarch that doubles as a Lawful Good Paladin.

Azi, you are correct about Zamorak. Yes, he tries to be a social darwinist.
The drawback is that quite a few of his followers take the "strength thru chaos" far too literally.
He also suffered from the fact that many of the followers that might have worked better for him, stayed loyal to other gods (ie: Bandos)

Sliske became the sort of Chaos for the sake of chaos (let the world burn and laugh for entertainment).

Bandos is kinda more like Khorne in the various Warhammer universes. He's a general (or at least in his own mind) holding on to the concept that the strong rule.
He however prefers his followers to often be 'stupid' and follow his orders blindly.
But he'd also accept that if a successor came and beat him, they'd prove his way of thinking right.

Armadyl is essentially an advocate of Republicanism (variation of Democracy).

Guthix was essentially an atheist. A farmer, a teacher, and a reluctant soldier.

Marimbo parties all the time.

Brassica is a talking cabbage tied to the anima of the planet.

Zaros was literally created to have a passive control over others. He continues to be a variation of Saradomin: control/order, but with a focus on not necessarily having someone as an active head.

Seren is simply highly empathic. Others are drawn to her. She could be seen though as a variation of Guthix.

Tuska was a mindless big beast god that ate anima.

V was a hero that lived for adventure. aka: God of Adventurers.

06-Apr-2019 16:54:07

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