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I am no fan of the forestry update. I think it was an overcompensation for one or more J Mods distain for the woodcutting guild. However I shall endeavour to give some feedback.
Campfires and tea sound terrible. They add more to an already buffed update.
The new events themselves sound fine and I like the idea that one will be free to play. That being said I am concerned that not all of them have a poll question as they don't fit the 'not being polled' part of the charter.
The Fox and Pheasant pets look cool, although feel weird as a transmog. With the exception of raid pets I've always seen transmogs as keeping the general design of the pet but morphed a little. These two feel completely different, one isn't even the same class of animal. I understand having multiple (rare) pets from one skill goes against the grain but perhaps it's something old school is ready for. Not every pet needs to be super rare and not every piece of content (bosses or skills in particular) need one.
Finally the Rewards. The twitcher gloves sound great and the 2H axe is a nice compromise for XP/Resources, although since forestry has buffed woodcutting so much I don't see a need for it. That being said, what is going on with those axes? I expected something more in line with the woodcutting tutor, with less of a focus on the blade and resting on the shoulder. RIP Forums
Finally we have signatures in the surprise forum update. I'm Lewis, I play Old School & I've been playing since 2005.
Campfires and tea sound terrible. They add more to an already buffed update.
The new events themselves sound fine and I like the idea that one will be free to play. That being said I am concerned that not all of them have a poll question as they don't fit the 'not being polled' part of the charter.
The Fox and Pheasant pets look cool, although feel weird as a transmog. With the exception of raid pets I've always seen transmogs as keeping the general design of the pet but morphed a little. These two feel completely different, one isn't even the same class of animal. I understand having multiple (rare) pets from one skill goes against the grain but perhaps it's something old school is ready for. Not every pet needs to be super rare and not every piece of content (bosses or skills in particular) need one.
Finally the Rewards. The twitcher gloves sound great and the 2H axe is a nice compromise for XP/Resources, although since forestry has buffed woodcutting so much I don't see a need for it. That being said, what is going on with those axes? I expected something more in line with the woodcutting tutor, with less of a focus on the blade and resting on the shoulder. RIP Forums
Finally we have signatures in the surprise forum update. I'm Lewis, I play Old School & I've been playing since 2005.
02-Aug-2023 20:02:06
I've just read the updated version and I'd say the changes are mostly good and I will be interested to hear the outcome of things such as using sawmill vouchers in the POH.
I am really concerned that you're going to add Artic Pines unpolled. This is definitely going against the poll charter.
Edit:
Just read the person above's comment. I don't think you should force anything to the game to account for players assuming leaves would be worth something. However if someone has a significant amount perhaps they could get some infused bark (or something forestry related) as compensation. RIP Forums
Finally we have signatures in the surprise forum update. I'm Lewis, I play Old School & I've been playing since 2005.
I am really concerned that you're going to add Artic Pines unpolled. This is definitely going against the poll charter.
Edit:
Just read the person above's comment. I don't think you should force anything to the game to account for players assuming leaves would be worth something. However if someone has a significant amount perhaps they could get some infused bark (or something forestry related) as compensation. RIP Forums
Finally we have signatures in the surprise forum update. I'm Lewis, I play Old School & I've been playing since 2005.
03-Aug-2023 20:58:01 - Last edited on 03-Aug-2023 20:59:58 by Lewis Shoot
[cont] Fantastic! What's this story about a poor new player having to do all those things to optimise his thieving training? Nobody is forcing him to go for the optimal setup, and moreover I imagine the teas would be tradeable. Honestly, the way this update has developed feels as though there is some kind of unbreakable rule that new content MUST NEVER be good nor ever invalidate existing content.
Well, for woodcutting, there is nothing to invalidate. The best training method is chopping teaks until 99, for Guthix's sake. Teaks should not be worth chopping for xp past level 50 at the latest. The recent RS3 update was very good; it rebalanced all chopping rates for trees. High-levelled trees such as yew and magic are still noticeably slower, but they are not as utterly hopeless as they were prior (and are in OS).
If the proposed tea effects weren't ideal, change them. Some quirky ones like extra minigame points (provided they work based on rounds played rather than time spent) or something related to clues would be very interesting. But the flat boost to gathering and production skills is also very desirable. And that's GOOD! People should want to use the teas. Give them a reason to make the teas by woodcutting, or to buy them from people who do so.
Saying that woodcutting and whatever it outputs should be restricted to the skill itself ("Chop tree, get wood."
is mental and not going to work: unfortunately, the skill is not the best source of wood. Giving it some rewards that help with the rest of the game (in a balanced manner, of course), on the contrary, would help.
As for the bonfires, either let the xp rates be such that they are a more relaxed and slightly worse alternative to line firemaking (Wintertodt will probably remain the best method by fire, err, far), or don't bother at all. 1/3 of the xp is plainly pointless.
The 2h axes are probably also too complicated, I agree. The basic principle should be: more wood, less xp. All this per-tick chance [cont] Bizarre Boron Fusswell, scryer extraordinaire. OSRS: POH ideas & RS3 minigames & achievement ideas !
Well, for woodcutting, there is nothing to invalidate. The best training method is chopping teaks until 99, for Guthix's sake. Teaks should not be worth chopping for xp past level 50 at the latest. The recent RS3 update was very good; it rebalanced all chopping rates for trees. High-levelled trees such as yew and magic are still noticeably slower, but they are not as utterly hopeless as they were prior (and are in OS).
If the proposed tea effects weren't ideal, change them. Some quirky ones like extra minigame points (provided they work based on rounds played rather than time spent) or something related to clues would be very interesting. But the flat boost to gathering and production skills is also very desirable. And that's GOOD! People should want to use the teas. Give them a reason to make the teas by woodcutting, or to buy them from people who do so.
Saying that woodcutting and whatever it outputs should be restricted to the skill itself ("Chop tree, get wood."
is mental and not going to work: unfortunately, the skill is not the best source of wood. Giving it some rewards that help with the rest of the game (in a balanced manner, of course), on the contrary, would help.
As for the bonfires, either let the xp rates be such that they are a more relaxed and slightly worse alternative to line firemaking (Wintertodt will probably remain the best method by fire, err, far), or don't bother at all. 1/3 of the xp is plainly pointless.
The 2h axes are probably also too complicated, I agree. The basic principle should be: more wood, less xp. All this per-tick chance [cont] Bizarre Boron Fusswell, scryer extraordinaire. OSRS: POH ideas & RS3 minigames & achievement ideas !
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04-Aug-2023 19:57:46
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