RuneScape Forum Archive | ERB: Ranged Meta Proposal

Feb

2024

Nyst3

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I like the Idea of amethyst darts, but I think they should be untradable or amethyst will be heavy botted,

Now when we will shift range meta from Zulrah to Gauntlets, could we get way of obtaining first weapon frame in gauntlet without gaining melee exp? now you need to kill atleast 1 creature before you get weapon frame, and for some accounts that's the problem, or maybe make that use torch in combat would not grant any combat exp in gauntlet

30-May-2021 08:08:20 - Last edited on 30-May-2021 08:09:26 by Nyst3

Aug

2022

Tassili

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Unless you are some snowflake 1-1-1 with 99 range and mage, this will not be a problem because the sceptre has a str style and i dont know any ironmen who are 1-1-1 with 99 range an mage that want to do gauntlet.

30-May-2021 17:59:45 - Last edited on 30-May-2021 18:00:41 by Tassili

Aug

2022

Tassili

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Overall i love all these changes, the range meta esp for ironman is very stale, its get blow pipe from something as simple as zulrah and then thats it you have bis untill tbow from chambers, you can grind acb but lots of people opt to just use rcb. I have to ask will any of this be polled? the blow pipe nerfs will be in regardless of polls but im worried that the bow wouldnt pass the poll, because of whiney lazy people who dont wanna do or learn the gauntlet or the ones who fear their tbow might drop 500k and think they losing money.

Also id love to see some QOL to the Cgauntlet. currently the rng in gathering resouces is way to high, there are runs were i find almost everything i need in a few rooms and also get enough shards to craft everything on first back an then runs that take the entire dungeon to get just 1 thing or the runs were i get everything i need but have 0 shards to make items because i didnt get lucky during fish/gathering phase. I think making shards drop more commonly or 100% from fishing/wcing/mining/cotton would be a huge QOL and also either making the gauntlet smaller or making the rooms have atleast 1 of every resource in it.

The hunliff is also insanely tanky and you often time noodle so hard that you fail without doing anything wrong, his defense should be lower to make hitting him easier when using the correct style of combat, i dont think there should be a hunliff kill time between 3 mins and 5:30 depending on rng for a max account with rigour an augury.

30-May-2021 18:07:46

Tombo96

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I really like the RNG of the corrupted gauntlet personally. I'm just not a fan of the time limit and having to be max efficiency.

Going faster will always be better regardless, I don't understand the need for a time limit on this activity.

30-May-2021 22:58:38

Aug

2019

Rysen

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I like the ideas you have going finally!

Thanks for not being the usual Jagex and ruining the game without anyone's input. But there's always a "But..."

Toxic Blowpipe :

I like your old proposal better than the new proposal for the Toxic Blowpipe.

Taking the accuracy away completely will reduce this to an unusable weapon. Compared to the tier requirement, that's not even sensible.

In reality, it hits like garbage against high level enemies already. So reducing the accuracy to that extent won't give it any viability against mid tier enemies.

You can chart and graph everything to the moon, but your in-game algorithms aren't perfect. For those of us who use this on a consistent basis, these are the observed results.

I mean have you seen how absurd your drop rates actually become? *I'm talking about pets if you haven't noticed*

New Crystal Bow:

As for the new crystal bow, I like the idea. But I surely do hope you're kidding about how we should obtain it.

You're going to lock the Toxic Blowpipe's direct replacement for high def lvl monsters under such a rare drop rate like the Blade of Saeldor? That's laughable to say the least.

It needs to have its own seed, own drop rate (compared to the tanz fang), and actual accessibility. Its not a 100M item, especially due to the cost of use.

Other Changes:

Still not jazzed about the reduction in Dragonhide armor without any buffs to Karil's armour. Rebalancing isn't solely about nerfing, expand your thoughts to encompass EVERYTHING you affect.

P.S. - Please stop teasing us with new content like its dropping next month for possible replacements/improvements. We're looking at years away from that. Look at how long it took you to rework a spellbook. Let alone having to introduce new monsters, drop tables, and areas. Introduce improvements at the SAME time as nerfs. Instead of acting like a bunch of rag-tag nerfers looking for the gnar out here. SHEEEEEEEESH

31-May-2021 09:33:50

Aug

2023

Nighthound52

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The new suggestion still destroys the use of the blowpipe. Allow me to compare it to the MSB. A weapon that is never/rarely used for PVM.
An MSB with rune arrows compared to the newly suggested blowpipe with rune darts:
The MSB has:
- +39 Accuracy
- +3 Ranged Strength
- +2 Range
- +1 Speed (negative)

You give up 3 stats, where accuracy is quite a high number, for just the speed. Where the MSB is cheap and easy to make and its arrows are buyable. Where the blowpipe hides behind a late-game boss and you would have to make the darts. For a regular account this seems to be fine as max accounts and bots lower the prices on the GE. But for an ironman this takes a lot of time to grind out.

I understand the blowpipe needs to be nerfed and I agree upon this statement. On the initial suggestion was commented that the new blowpipe with dragon darts would be worse than the current blowpipe with bronze darts, which would be way too hard of a nerf. This new suggestion nerfs it even further where I do not understand why

31-May-2021 15:49:35

Aug

2022

Tassili

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Zulrah is not a late game boss, Corrupted gauntlet is, this bow being released is a step under tbow and will have a lot of uses. currently all ironman has to do is get a blow pipe from a joke of a boss like zulrah and they have bis range wep untill tbow. even if the scales an dart up keep is time consuming the time they save using blow pipe over something like rcb is massive. Corrupted gauntlet is some of the best solo content in this game and its widely ignored because the armor is not rewarding and the blade is only a small step up from whip and only useful in Tob. Cgauntlet is not something you can be boosted though or carried like tob or cox, you have to earn these items and it is a welcomed change. Ive been grinding cgauntlet a lot in prep for the new bow and i really love this content and its a shame to see it so dead.

31-May-2021 18:40:29

Aug

2023

Einzelkampf

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Anyway.. i still dont like this Nerf about Blowpipe... i've just got the weapon ingame...

But the new Bow should be stronger! With these Changes, its on the Same Lane as ACB and thats not right! So some Points to the new Crystal Bow:
1. The new Bow shares the same seed as Saeldor. So its the same price. A 100mil weapon should be able to outperform a 25mil weapon!
2. The new bow should also get an effect like the bolts have, that should increase the dmg. Ruby Bolts will just destroy Crystal Bow and i dont think the Bois will take the full set of Crystal in the Inventory, just to use it on the last 20% of the Life of the Boss.
3. Its so hard to get the Blade... im over the kc and still dont have Saeldor!... and now I have to get 2 of them???? Come on! Lower the drop rate then!

BTW... upper Post...
I had crystal armour full at cb 96 and have become the BP at cb 107.

For the Blowpipe:

Wow! Now! I finally can use all my hard saved d Darts to kill lizardman Shamans and other troll Bosses.... yeah u rock!

At least the D Darts and the Amythyst Darts should be able to perform higher in the Endgame! They should not be able to outperform the 4 other Ranged weapons.... but this is just a ridicules huge cap!

Or just create some Bosses, that have lower defenses! So we can use the D darts for something else then Lizardman Shamans!

31-May-2021 20:19:26 - Last edited on 31-May-2021 20:26:33 by Einzelkampf

Jan

2015

HolyGr8ness

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The nerf on Bp is still to harsh.
Buff crossbows not the offhands or buff both.
Don't nerf the dhcb because the offhands could give it 1 more max hit.
Buffing the crystal bow is long overdue and is not enough.
We need more ways to get ahold of the crystal bow upgrade. Drakes need a buff to be worth killing and not a blocked task

02-Jun-2021 08:04:50

Oct

2005

Lewis Shoot

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As always I am a huge advocate for polling everything proposed.

That aside I think this blog goes too far. I thought the range rebalance was going to be primarily a nerf to the BP and a few changes along side this but instead this is an entire range meta change. I do not think this is reasonable and is a much crazier idea than nerfing BP -which in itself is crazy but I think most of us are warn down enough at this point.

This whole blog screams 'I've created data to support my view' without the real considerations of the community. Whether you just nerf BP or do an entire range Meta change, just put an ingame opinion poll to see what is actually the communities point of view, as this feels far too extreme.

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Additionally if I could stop 1 thing in this blog from happening it would be the crystal changes. It seems that there is demand for crystal bow to remain in place but the answer is to change a bunch of armour and add a new bow? Isn't that what people wanted to avoid from the very start.
That seems very backwards to me. RIP Forums

Finally we have signatures in the surprise forum update. I'm Lewis, I play Old School & I've been playing since 2005.

02-Jun-2021 20:46:30