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Kyna

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I see a lot of people stating they want a 75%-80% majority for updates. I think that's too high.

Quite a few of the players who voted and are playing just wanted something pre-EoC. They don't really want to be playing something stuck in stone that will never change. They voted and are playing and are hoping they will get some of the updates they want.

These players are important for the long-term viability of the servers.

If the majority required for updates is too high many of these players will stop playing OSRS. OSRS needs to retain those players. Not just from the financial viability aspect, but also from the player's perspective - having plenty of people around to interact with is important as nobody wants to play a quiet MMORPG.

I think 75% is too high, I think a 66% (two-thirds) majority is high enough to make sure the updates are wanted by the majority, but it doesn't shut out the "I wanted pre-EoC" players of OSRS who voted to help make these servers possible.

These players will be more likely to stick around if there is a possibility they can get as least some of the updates they want. If the majority required for updates is so high that updates will never happen, these players won't stick around - they won't be there to trade with or pk with or against. They voted, they're playing, they're as entitled to what they want from Old School servers as anyone else who voted and is playing

TL/DR: A 66% (two-thirds) majority would be fairer than a 75% majority towards people who merely wanted EoC servers. They voted, they're playing, they're a part of the OSRS community.
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27-Feb-2013 00:11:51 - Last edited on 27-Feb-2013 00:13:15 by Kyna

Angel2D4

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Kyna, you don't get it.. jagex already said they would not offer a pre-eoc server. This OSS isn't supposed to be the thing you wanted to avoid (eoc).

It's "Old School" RS. Your post makes me think that there might just be 50% who play it only because they don't like eoc.. and want to force changes to it to end up with pre-eoc even after jagex said NO.

Y'all that want to kill Old School before it even has a chance to get off the ground good.. should have NO SAY in what happens to it (not when all you want is to turn it into a pre-eoc server).

Jagex said no to pre-eoc servers.

Jagex promised us OLD SCHOOL.

If they start changing it now.. they've proven themselves liars yet again.. and that WILL cost them players.

Only jagex can determine where the greatest potential is, for financial loss.

I do hope you get it right this time jagex. "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" -Martin Luther King Jr.

27-Feb-2013 02:34:49

Ov3rmind3d

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1) Firstly, how would you like the community polls to work? For instance, what degree of consensus should be required?
2) Secondly, what content changes would you like to see shortlisted for the first polls?

1) My personal opinion is that polls should need an overwhelming majority (66%). Only people who actively play OSR should be allowed to vote in these polls. I think being logged in at least 1 hour in the month prior to the poll should be a good indicator of OSR activity.

2) UI and quality of life changes that don't impact gameplay (GE is an example of what NOT to do). It compeltely altered the way Runescape is played. By UI and quality of life changes I am talking about the little things that just make the game run smoother, such as the in-game world map, tab-reply to last PM, HP/Pray/Run shown next to minimap (debatable, since switching between skills menu and inventory is an aquired skill to know when it is a good time to eat). And by pray next to minimap, i just mean an indicator of prayer points left, NOT quickprayers. Another thing that needs to be included in the first poll (if not put it before) is the option to play on low detail. Many players dislike the random ground particles and roofs. Another UI change that should be in the first poll is team-cape map colors. It may not seem like a big deal, but it is a HUGE one when it comes to pking. Knowing who to attack and who not to is a big deal in PKing, and getting it right is an aquired skill requiring good communication and team work. Team capes kind of take away from that, and team cape map colors would almost destroy that aspect of the game (again). Also to be included in first poll; Bank tabs, withdraw all but one, Save the number on withdraw X, Sell-all and sell-* to stores, the new hairstyles, save clan chat on logout, 'Friend' has logged in/out, how to go about releases rares(if at all), more minigames (can remove prizes to preserve balance, but still implement the minigames for fun

27-Feb-2013 02:37:08 - Last edited on 27-Feb-2013 02:40:04 by Ov3rmind3d

Sc Jw
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@Tyria Mine

"Kyna, you don't get it.. jagex already said they would not offer a pre-eoc server. This OSS isn't supposed to be the thing you wanted to avoid (eoc)."

I can think of a few things they said they'd never do. Bring back FT/Wildy. Micro-transactions, especially those giving in game advantages. Bring back a 2006/2007 server <cough>. I think we've seen at this point that if the demand is provably there, and it would be highly profitable for them to do so, then it'll happen.


"Your post makes me think that there might just be 50% who play it only because they don't like eoc.. and want to force changes to it to end up with pre-eoc even after jagex said NO."

Think of it as 'Runescape, the Reboot' :P

It would be interesting to see a the results of survey that queried whether peeps wanted 2007, something pre-EoC they could keep their stats on, and EoC. I suspect you'd find that the groups are roughly equal in numbers.

27-Feb-2013 13:23:00

Borgas

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"Jagex promised us OLD SCHOOL."

Is 2007 the only year who we can call "oldschool?"

Is there a specific time frame that we can coil as "oldschool?" Becouse im fairly certain that the year 2008 and possibly even 2009 are pretty oldschool too..

27-Feb-2013 16:39:08 - Last edited on 27-Feb-2013 16:42:21 by Borgas

Angel2D4

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@Sc
I won't look at it as simply a "reboot". If I do, I'm seeing that "boot disk failure" on startup. Trust me, there is nobody on the planet that knows more about the lies they've told in the past (plenty know of the lies, but I've been watching them since '04), and there is nobody that takes it to heart more than I have.

I'm trying to offer them that "benefit of the doubt", and yes I suppose that's that old foolishness of believing there is "good" in everything if you look hard enough.

They finally did something "right" (offering this old game for us to play).. and don't get me wrong, I don't have any real obstacles with playing the eoc game (and those complaining about it don't make much sense to me when I've seen the other games out there are doing EXACTLY the same things).

I would find it even more "interesting", to see jagex step up to the plate and actually clarify and confirm that they mean what they said, and said what they mean, when they said they will not offer a pre eoc game.

I spent the first few days of old school training farming.. watching forums. I saw rank 6 in old school farming before I crashed into that brick wall... when it dawned on me, if you will, that they aren't going to leave it old school and that there are likely many more people who simply hate eoc, than the old timers playing... and decided, until they confirm their intentions I won't play either game much (there's no point in playing atm, without knowing if they intend to simply offer pre eoc, like they offered back the wildy).

I have no reason to believe they aren't liars once more and as long as such unrest remains in this old school forum, I won't believe they aren't liars once more.

I've never had issue with the game, generally speaking.. but with the lack of integrity, honesty and honour. "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" -Martin Luther King Jr.

27-Feb-2013 18:03:48

Angel2D4

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"Is 2007 the only year who we can call "oldschool?""
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Jagex chose the year, and chose the "name" of this old game. I was personally of the opinion that they were capable of offering 2 games at once (calling this one RS2, and the eoc version RS3). They "claimed" this was the only backup they had that would serve this purpose (of offering the old game).

If they change the name to RS2 (and choose to update it), I might have a different perspective on the game itself. I will never have a different perspective on "old school" (they got this one as close to "right" as they ever will).

What you seem to be implying Kaiverrettu is that any year before 2013 could be called "old school". I don't agree.

When they shifted into HD graphics in '08, old school was gone. With that HD graphics update, the old school game was changed forever. "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" -Martin Luther King Jr.

27-Feb-2013 18:13:43

Stanrogo
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I think the only doubts I would have about polls, is two way polls which should:

Either be avoided all together OR
If it turns out to be a 50:50 split (or there abouts), have a much more detailed poll in order to try to satisfy both sides. This is vital because I have a strong feeling that the community may be split 50:50 a lot over a lot of matters.

27-Feb-2013 23:27:35

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