RuneScape Forum Archive | Equipment Rebalancing

Meanhorn

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Is Jagex really going to fall into the same trap that lead to the downfall of the previous version of runescape?

The reason why so many people, including myself, migrated to Osrs and love the game is because it is built on community polling. We thought this game would never be capable of falling into the same tragic mistakes as the previous version, as nothing would be added or changed in the game without a supermajority (75%+) agreeing to it. We were clearly wrong, and after all of the success that OSRS has had, it seems like Jagex has become arrogant, and is once again doomed to fall into the same mistakes of the past.

I am against pretty much everything mentioned in the dev blog, and clearly the vast majority of the player base, which are your paying customers, feel the same way, clearly shown in all of the negative feedback you guys have received on the official forums and on social media. And even with all of this negative feedback, to go ahead with any of this just shows Jagex's true colors as a company.

Even with being against these "rebalancing" changes, if Jagex had decided to poll it, and it passed with the 75% community support that was required, I would not be happy, but I would accept it! I would accept it because a supermajority of the community voted in support of it, which would translate to a happy and healthy player base and overall community. Instead, Jagex goes back on their word, crying "Integrity", simply so that they can change something in the game that clearly has very little support, just because they think they know better than everybody else. Sound familiar? *Cough*EOC, Solomons, Squeal of Fortune, Destroying the wildy and free trade, and any bad update Jagex has pushed through *Cough*

If Jagex goes back on their word, and pushes these updates without a poll, it is definitely the beginning of the end. My brother and I will cancel our membership immediately, as well as most of my friends and clan members I have spoken to. RIP OSRS

23-Jan-2021 03:49:56

The Pet Cat

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iron itg said :
Oh, and another thing....

This is *not* an "integrity" change.

An integrity change is what was done to stop the falador massacre. An integrity change is what was done to stop the item duplication bug. An integrity change is what was done to stop people from alching crystal bows on non-member servers for insane profits.

This is merely an update you *know* couldn't pass a poll. Each part of these proposed changes needs to be a separate poll question. Put it before the player base and let the chips fall where they may. The only thing that will get the attention of Jagex is to cancel memberships. Just like the player base did after that travesty of an update they called "EOC" from rs2. I've just gone and canceled my reoccurring subscription, Just as I did when rs2 was made unplayable.

23-Jan-2021 03:50:42

Meanhorn

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Steelman87 said :
The OSRS homepage states "the community controls the development so the game is truly what you want it to be!".

And they are purposely not polling this because they know the community is against it. They are literally going against their own words. False advertising.

If this goes through I am cancelling my membership and disputing credit card charge. I also know of many other individuals planning to do the same. Such a shame Jagex does not learn from their past mistakes.

This is a repeat of the past on Jagex's part, and for them to go back on their word truly shows what kind of company they are. If I knew that the polling system was eventually going to be ignored whenever Jagex wanted to force something down our throats, I wouldn't have dedicated the past 8 years playing this game. The only reason I played OSRS is because of the promised Community polls, but it looks like I was a fool for believing Jagex would stick to their word.

23-Jan-2021 03:57:11 - Last edited on 23-Jan-2021 04:07:56 by Meanhorn

Meanhorn

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iron itg said :
Oh, and another thing....

This is *not* an "integrity" change.

An integrity change is what was done to stop the falador massacre. An integrity change is what was done to stop the item duplication bug. An integrity change is what was done to stop people from alching crystal bows on non-member servers for insane profits.

This is merely an update you *know* couldn't pass a poll. Each part of these proposed changes needs to be a separate poll question. Put it before the player base and let the chips fall where they may.

Exactly this!

Where do the "Integrity" issues stop? They can literally claim that anything and everything is an integrity issue, just so they could avoid polling it. They can change the graphics or the combat system once more in this game, claiming that it is what is best for the future of the game, and it qualifies as an "Integrity" issue.

This is sadly ridiculous, and it seems like the only way Jagex will learn is once the majority of players leave for good, because they clearly didn't learn from the last time, as a lot of us forgave them with a second chance and came back.

23-Jan-2021 03:58:39

ADevilsFate

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For any actual average player that doesn't just sit on their stupid unemployed ass all day and all night or come home from work and immediately jump on their computer to play rs instantly, this update will ruin everyones play time. Anyone who doesn't no life and just can't do raids for a few hours to get anything they want in this game is just bullshit.
Tons of average players have yet to even get anything worth over 100m in one item and you're ruining every one of those players playing time by doing this. It's complete bullshit and yet another move that Jagex will be putting into play that will ruin the majority of the game-player base.
All the average players that enjoy the small crap day to day WHEN they EVEN get a chance to will be done for. Say bye bye to rs once again. Enjoy catering to all the losers who have no job and no life other than to sit in front of a screen. Straight up pathetic

23-Jan-2021 04:07:29

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[#FK9BTNMX0] said :
Thats not gonna happen. Just like they forced eoc on players, without focusing on solving the bot issue.
Problem is they won't and the game will die. I'm kind of not surprised at this point lol...

23-Jan-2021 04:22:05 - Last edited on 23-Jan-2021 04:22:34 by 49

Mrwigs

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Could you please address longswords as well? You talked about adjusting the attack speed for maces, spears, and hastae, but left out longswords. You also spoke of making changes to warhammers.

As it stands now, perhaps the only reason a player would use a dragon longsword over a scimitar is if they had not yet completed monkey madness.

If you could adjust the attack speed of longswords to match scimitars, they would actually be a viable, competitive alternative, and help break the monotony of training. For those of us around before dragon scimitars were introduced, it could be a welcome switch to be able to once again train with our trusty dragon longswords.

Of course, as it stands now the dragon longsword has 5 more strength bonus than the scimitar. If you made them attack at the same speed it would reduce the usefulness of obtaining the scimitar.

In order to make longswords a viable alternative to scimitars that does not detract from scimitars, some change would of course need to happen.

One option could be both share the same attack speed, but reduce the strength bonus of longswords to more closely match the scimitars. That could give them the same exact max hit, or possibly make the longsword have one extra max hit in specific situations.

Another option with the same attack speed could be to lean towards longswords having one extra max hit, but to ensure scimitars are viable, increase their accuracy to significantly exceed the slash bonus of longswords.

23-Jan-2021 04:42:49

Mrwigs

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A player fighting a monster or boss with high defenses and trying to decide between a dragon longsword vs scimitar could examine their options and choose a scimitar with one less max hit, same attack speed, but 15 or so extra slash bonus.

Another player fighting a monster with low stab defense could take advantage of the longswords stab option whilst maintaining the extra max hit of the longsword, and same fast attack speed as the scimitar.

A third option could be to keep longswords a bit slower, but increase their damage output such that their dps rivals that of scimitars. To keep both options relevant, the longsword could keep its attack bonuses as is, whilst the scimitar becomes more specialized for slashing. That could mean both weapons share a similar dps for general training, but the scimitar could be distinguised by its higher slash bonus for fighting monsters with high defense.

Please Jagex, you said it yourself. “Players want more weapon and gear variety, noting that only Scimitars are viable for training...”

Please take a look at longswords, perhaps with a special focus on the dragon longsword and longswords of a higher tier, and make them a competitve alternative to only using a scimitar. Thank you.

23-Jan-2021 04:43:21

OS Anaconda

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I'm not going to type out a 2000 character rant. If you're going to make changes. Poll it the way this version of the game was built on. If you want to avoid power creep. Just rework the level cap for the weapons. Stick the Twisted bow at 90 ranged. Stick the blow pipe at 85 and go from there.

23-Jan-2021 05:04:18

Torplex

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I feel that the level req for weapons is fine. You should be around lvl 80 in all combat stats if you are bossing anyways.

It seems very overkill for the blowpipe though.. Nurfing it is fine I guess, but 50% in accuracy and 33% in damage, PLUS dart nurf, that seems extremely overkill.

The Neitiznot Faceguard nurf seems almost pointless though, -1 str? Besides, I wouldn't say it's all that overpowered in the first place, it's not THAT much better then the normal version, atleast if compared to the price. Maybe instead, bump up the level req to 75-80?

Unless it is planned to release some new ranged armor with the update, that more or less have the same def stats as the black ranged armor has now (and around the same price, maybe 100% more cost?), then the nurf is WAAAAAY to big. Spells already hits you like 80% of the time, and especially spells like Ice Barrage is a pain, since even with full black d'hide AND Protect from Magic on, it still hits you 80% of the time. And melee already hits hard, with the new stats, their hits won't just hit hard, but also connect every time.. Basically, unless new fairly cheap armor is released with the update, ranged will be a no-go. Not to mention that if you don't like pvp, but are forced into the wilderness as one pretty often are if they like to do clues or bossing.. These players will be 100p buttf**ked by either risking a lot of gold or have extremely bad gear. And honestly, there are not a single pvm'er in Runescape who would like to donate their gold to a toxic Ahole in wildy.... And there are plenty out there.... So yeah no please. Either reduce the stats, and with it release new ranged armor with the same stats and only slightly more expensive, or don't reduce it at all....

23-Jan-2021 05:04:50

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