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Donald Darko

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Stinkowing said :
Donald Darko said :
You guys have a habit of making this game idiot proof. I shan't be voting this.

And making a game idiot-proof is bad...how?

I never said it was bad. It's just unnecessary and a gross waste of time. The game doesn't require this update so why implement it?

24-Aug-2016 16:41:55

Iron Feenix

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Wow great quality of life changes.

The only concern I have his with the phrasing/ image of Step 2.
As a player I would expact that in this step There are 4 boxes/ areas next to each other

My inventory | My Stake | Opponen'ts Stake| Opponents inventory

If you guys can make it in the order shown above, it would make the most sense and would help with carefully checking everying to prevent scams etc.

Thanks maz, these are great quality of life changes. What are you anticipating will take the most time on this project? Any specific technical challenges?

I'm not sure how backends designed but it could be the 'no weapon switching' rule. That would probably have to undergo the most QA to ensure nothing else breaks (compared to the visual nature of all the other changes).

24-Aug-2016 16:50:27 - Last edited on 24-Aug-2016 16:50:42 by Iron Feenix

Darthturaga
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I don't mean to sound rude, but this is a very bad idea. Having items in your inventory that your opponent doesn't know you have is strategy, not scamming. These changes would just take out that strategic aspect of dueling.

And having a third screen would be pointless and detrimental. The amount of the stake will effect the desired rules in some cases. For example, I might be willing to stake with rules I'm hesitant about if the stake is only 1m but want to stake with rules I'm more confident with if the stake is 10m.

Of course, scamming IS a problem at the duel arena. But scamming means abusing glitches and such, it doesn't mean using strategy. If you want to actually get rid of scamming, CHANGE THE THINGS THAT PLAYERS ACTUALLY USE TO SCAM.
For example: If obstacles and movement are on, and your enemy freezes you with ZGS (or maybe ancients too?), you are then unable to attack them over an obstacle or at the corner of an obstacle, even with a ranged weapon or halberd. Yet they can still attack you.
THAT is what has to be changed in the arena, so as to prevent glitch abuse.

The changes listed in the dev blog will only serve to take out all the strategy involved in staking.

24-Aug-2016 16:53:43

Darthturaga
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And notice how the players in this thread who say it's a good idea are the ones who don't stake, yet everyone here who has mentioned that they are actually stakers opposes this idea.

If you insist on polling it, you should limit voting to the people it affects: STAKERS. So you have to have done, say, 200 duels in order to be able to vote in this poll.

24-Aug-2016 17:01:20 - Last edited on 24-Aug-2016 17:02:04 by Darthturaga

Memberr
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iAmaWiseAss said :
Please remove fun weapons completely from duel arena, no one uses that option except for scammers. Zaros is evil: "Zaros plainly requested the use of twelve legions of demons. (..) Zaros offered the secrets of travel between the worlds, to allow the Chthonians to devour whole new races rather than be reduced to preying on each other." From Sliske's Memory

24-Aug-2016 17:45:24

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Darthturaga said :
I don't mean to sound rude, but this is a very bad idea. Having items in your inventory that your opponent doesn't know you have is strategy, not scamming. These changes would just take out that strategic aspect of dueling.

And having a third screen would be pointless and detrimental. The amount of the stake will effect the desired rules in some cases. For example, I might be willing to stake with rules I'm hesitant about if the stake is only 1m but want to stake with rules I'm more confident with if the stake is 10m.

Of course, scamming IS a problem at the duel arena. But scamming means abusing glitches and such, it doesn't mean using strategy. If you want to actually get rid of scamming, CHANGE THE THINGS THAT PLAYERS ACTUALLY USE TO SCAM.
For example: If obstacles and movement are on, and your enemy freezes you with ZGS (or maybe ancients too?), you are then unable to attack them over an obstacle or at the corner of an obstacle, even with a ranged weapon or halberd. Yet they can still attack you.
THAT is what has to be changed in the arena, so as to prevent glitch abuse.

The changes listed in the dev blog will only serve to take out all the strategy involved in staking.

You don't have to click the show inventories option, and being able to see the inventories could allow players to for example to safely bet on a hybrid fight. Zaros is evil: "Zaros plainly requested the use of twelve legions of demons. (..) Zaros offered the secrets of travel between the worlds, to allow the Chthonians to devour whole new races rather than be reduced to preying on each other." From Sliske's Memory

24-Aug-2016 17:48:24

Hutchens
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Showing the inventory will be very nice. Great idea, guys :)

Zam said :
Add a tax for using the arena for a gp sink
#MakePeopleGambleLess!


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24-Aug-2016 18:33:06 - Last edited on 24-Aug-2016 18:33:49 by Hutchens

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Donald Darko said :
Stinkowing said :
Donald Darko said :
You guys have a habit of making this game idiot proof. I shan't be voting this.

And making a game idiot-proof is bad...how?

I never said it was bad. It's just unnecessary and a gross waste of time. The game doesn't require this update so why implement it?

"This update is unnecessary." Yeah, and update that prevents scammers and them from scamming legitimate players is unnecessary.
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