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THIS "Ronan,

I am unable to officially calc the Abyssal Daggers probability of hit, and max hit. It is, however, undeniable that the Abyssal Dagger needs accuracy and/or a lower Drain Rate to be considered. As for the max hit, as long as it is capable of a 40 it is usable.

Again, accuracy is a MUST. This dagger needs to help PvP and if it's just an alternate Dragon Dagger...people will stick to the 30K dagger with 4x harder hitting specs with around the same probability of hit."

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Formerly Joy said :
I'll add my final peace before I leave off to Work. The Abyssal Dagger has not only caught the attention of P1stols, and I, but many other PvP'ers I know, and well known PvM'er Woox. We all want this, but as page-after-page suggests... The Abyssal Dagger is missing something more in the Special Attack. I highly propose it be rethought?

It's not just us, but about 8/10 of the players who post have shared our stance. Even the naysayers of last blog have begun to agree.

Confirming the damage output of the Special Attack is appreciated. We still are fully prepared to argue that the Dagger will need high accuracy to become used. The Drain Rate is optional to fix. Also, never be afraid to make the next big thing. Currently you can consume 40 HP in one game tick? We also have time to implement new armors. Regardless, adding accuracy and (optionally) considering a new drain rate would not completely overpower the Dagger. Hitting a 48 as you confirmed would.

Being able to hit at all - is a must ^_^

09-Jun-2015 21:56:11

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Abyssal Dagger NEEDS ATTENTION! I agree with Joy! If Jagex is confirming the dagger DPS fine... it still NEEDS a 50% bonus accuracy to be an official "upgrade." Otherwise it's a downgrade, or tie compared to Dragon Dagger. Which is 30K! A smaller drain rate is good too...

YOU ASKED FOR A PVP WEAPON! I want to see good hybrid videos again and people who do not risk 50k :( please make the dagger right!

09-Jun-2015 21:58:13

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I agree and highly disagree with Mod Ronan. I agree that the abyss dagger should not overwhelm in DPS. I highly disagree that it is fine as is! This is simply not true. I would rather buy a dragon dagger for the 25% accuracy, the higher DPS, and easier access as it is extremely cheap. No risk no reward.

Opinions:

1 - 50% Accuracy boost should be implemented. A lot of PK'ers are demanding this. A lot of normal players are too. Can you not see that a lot of players are still flagging the dagger as too weak? This would make abyss dagger a one of a kind high accuracy hybrid weapon. It's the only weapon known to have high combo potential. Yet the DPS isn't as scary as a 1 tick AGS. The hits are still divided into 2.

2 - Drain Rate should be 35% tbh? I'd be happy with 30% really I think 3 hits would be fine. Most PK'ers don't unleash all specs at once anyways. But if it can't be 30 then consider 35% so that they can't abuse the accuracy. 35% Is fair. 30% still can be highly justified.

3 - KEEP the mechanic where either both hits land or neither do. This again combined with the accuracy boost will make it a combo weapon for hybrids! Yet not overpowered.

4 - Cap the damage reduce. 96 Would obviously be a hell no. Perhaps cap it at 43? The max of a Dragon Dagger?

These are my opinions on the topic, but Joy is right. So is P1stols. The current offering is a downgrade of the Dragon Dagger. NOT an upgrade. Add a 50% accuracy boost and consider a lower drain and you've got yourself the worlds best hybrid weapon. Not the worlds strongest. AGS will still be the strongest.

Also Dragon Dagger, Dbow, AGS, G Maul will all hit higher still :P

09-Jun-2015 22:10:22

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oh I guess i'll chime in about the Bludgeon too...

Yes, it hits at the same speed interval of a Dragon Scimitar. No, it does not justify the terrible Special Attack. You can surely shark brew 2 times before the second spec if times right. That is nearly 80 HP. This just isn't going to cut it...

09-Jun-2015 22:14:12

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But on the real though. Abyssal Dagger: 50% accuracy, 30-35% drain rate, now. Bludgeon is meh? I don't know what to suggest without saying Statius lmao. So i'll stay away from that.

abby dagger needs the above change though... no questions about it. I think it will help the low risk pvp and dead hybrid content too.

Guess who is going to sign up for the $10,000 PvP tournament?

Hybrids.

That is who. All of which quit the game, because no one hybrids anymore, because to hybrid you have to have an AGS or a full clan. Why not an extremely useful abby dagger that has high hit probability and a decent damage output. Ty for agreeing. ;)

09-Jun-2015 22:16:46

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Frost,

That is exactly what I want. All the PK'ers, players, and I want the Abyssal Dagger to be a proper upgrade of the Dragon Dagger. You worded it perfectly. I want:

A weapon that has a high hit probability to become the first combo potential weapon. The weapon will be highly accurate and able to produce a decent damage output. This will become the first ever true, Hybrid's Weapon.

Bare in mind, the Special Attack is split into 2 hit splats. Unlike the AGS, Granite Maul, and Dark Bow, this can be healed through. The damage will not overwhelm. I agreed that 96 would be too much, but it should be able to produce at least 40-44 damage.

The high 50% accuracy increase is a must. The drain rate I believe should be lowered too. This is that weapon that will forever change PvP in a welcomed way.

This won't be the next Korasi Sword, D Claws, or AGS. This will be the weapon that Hybrid's and main PK'ers alike love. It's fun to see a Dagger spec land. Yet it's still completely balanced given my rework. This will provide fun and risk I believe.

09-Jun-2015 22:25:50

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These are honestly horrible ideas for weapons. The bludgeon might be useful considering its crush attack, but honestly, why would someone choose a bludgeon over a sara sword when training strength?? Though this weapon isn't completely useless considering the crush bonus, but being its slower than the ss and whip = no good IMO.

Now when it comes to the Abyssal Dagger, I am honestly INSULTED that this is a new weapon you are adding to the game. It is literally useless in every way possible. Horrible idea! You could have added an Abyssal Sword that has stab attack bonus and can compete with the other weapons in the lv 70 tier, but instead you give us this. Can you not see this being a completely useless weapon? Daggers (Dragon Dagger - DDS) are only used by anyone for its special. They are not weapons you just afk train with or boss with consistently. That being said, a lv 70 dagger - 10 levels above the lv 60 DDS, should be significantly better -- which in this case it is not. The special sounds similar, except with no added poison effects.

Point given, how about added weapons that will actually be USED and WANTED. These are mediocre fill ins and should be an insult to not only I, but the rest of the community.

09-Jun-2015 23:52:39 - Last edited on 09-Jun-2015 23:54:43 by Hyper Craft

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I have this amazing idea just listen me out, since OSRS is lacking some awesome content in the quest department, why won't we just bring Dragon Claws back with the While Guthix Sleeps?

You can always tweak the damage so they could be viable for level 60 weaponry.

I'm only suggesting this cause these new items seem underwhelming and I ******* love grandmaster quests!

PS. Also add summoning and dungeoneering please.

10-Jun-2015 01:04:56

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