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MageofpieHC

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Long story short G.E was one of the best updates the game ever had. If you want to waste 30 minutes of your time going from shop to shop buying quest items, or 45 minutes in world 1/2 back in the day trying to deal with the annoying merchants who low-balled everyone and tried to sell higher on the forums then you're insane. Bots are always going to sell their goods, the grand exchange makes no difference in that regards, however it makes quest items 300% easier to get, makes scamming literally impossible, and makes trading simpler. Remember, even when the G.E came out, most rares and etc still were traded in w1/2 next to the Exchange, I remember when buying a Guthans set you'd get 10 offers of a leaf bladed spear before you'd get 1 of a Guthan's Warspear. Then you'd have to spend 20 minutes arguing over 6.3m or 6.4m Don't get me wrong, the G.E actually made it EASIER for merchants to make money. If you're a merchant opposing the G.E you really shouldn't.

The biggest stigma attached to the G.E was when it first came out and you could only offer +-5% some items couldn't be traded. They've already stated they're removing these limits.

I realise some people oppose new updates to the game because they claim it's just making the game easier, but let's be real guys, there's no difficulty involved in autotyping a buy/sell offer for 30 minutes hoping someone comes along. All thats happening is a lot of people are wasting a lot of time.

Trade was broken before the G.E, and when OSRS came out everyone realised it. There was a certain site everyone started using to try buy/sell items, and then when that didn't work everyone complained to Jagex and they made an autotyper. And then THAT didn't work either, so people decided they wanted the trading post. And the trading post didnt work EITHER.

Guys, you have to realise, the G.E that had no price limits was perfect for the game. Don't waste more time with other solutions. It was only 3 months older than OSRS.

14-Jan-2015 09:04:21 - Last edited on 14-Jan-2015 09:11:02 by MageofpieHC

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Also the argument that updates like this leading to EoC being introduced and etc are ridiculous. Everything gets polled in this game, and we all know an EoC vote is NEVER going to pass a vote with even 10%. It simply won't happen. All you're doing is driving false propaganda to try scare people. It's a tactic used by terrible news companies that I'm not going to mention.

Autotypers will go away, the countless numbers of bots selling stuff will go away (visibly), scamming will go away, world 1 will still be used to sell rares and etc, it makes the game simpler - NOT easier and it's going to save all of us a ton of time.

The ONLY concern I have is how Herbs will be implemented into the G.E, since the vote to turn them into Grimy/Clean failed.

14-Jan-2015 09:09:16 - Last edited on 14-Jan-2015 09:17:47 by MageofpieHC

Metal Little
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Lion  1234 said :
OK I'm against GE , like uber against it but i guess is people want Convenience updates , they simply do not understand this game well enough and further to that point if jagex are willing to implement them i can see this game going to the dumps just like rs3.

PROS :
1. Convenience
CONS:
1.Loss of player control to prices of items
2.Reduction in prices of low tiered/ non-member items
3.Easier to get 99 in lots of skills without leaving GE
4.Merhcant Clans mass manipulating prices
5.Loss of communication between players
6.Lost of original merchanting community

Feel free to add more if ive missed anything. But IMHO convenience updates are never good updates

This is why you should vote
NO
on GE.

1. Easy price manipulation - What's stopping bots and juggernaut merchant clans from running amok on GE? Large groups of players will artificially alter an item's price in order to profit at your expense.

2. Price inconsistency - A new item is released and has a street value either well over or under the GE marketplace.

3. Lack of player control over prices - The GE determines the market value of the items sold. Players would be forced to use GE prices as benchmarks even if said prices are incorrect and inaccurate.

4. Devalues skills - Level 99 will be easy to obtain, and skills that were once profitable or prestigious will become severely devalued.

5. Encourages dumping and gold farming - Bots, as well as actual players, can easily dump their items into the GE, which will have a negative impact on the economy.

6. No more PTP trading and interaction - People will become too reliant on the GE that player-to-player trading will become virtually obsolete, which will kill the whole concept of old school.

7. Limitations on buying in bulk - Players can only buy or sell a certain amount of items in a set period of time.
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14-Jan-2015 09:17:44

Metal Little
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8. No more TP - The GE will replace the TP in which the latter has lots of potential to become bigger and better than the GE especially if sending trade requests and posting buy offers are implemented.

9. Unfair poll and more illegal activity - The poll to bring back the GE was never supposed to be added, and since its implementation, an influx of bot accounts have emerged and manipulated the poll with their spam of yes votes. Those could be the same accounts that want GE back so that they can easily engage in various illegal activities and manipulate the system.

10. RS3/EOC repeat - If GE is added, that could open up the door to implementing more controversial updates that could lead to past mistakes being repeated, which could be potentially fatal to the overall well-being of OSR.
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14-Jan-2015 09:17:52 - Last edited on 14-Jan-2015 09:39:16 by Metal Little

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1. Weve already had a G.E in place on another server so from experience I can tell you that price manipulation is a very minor thing and affects the game so little it should be of no concern. Major resources and highly traded items are traded too frequently for that to happen.

2. I don't know if I should respond to this or not. It's a ridiculous point. Price inconsistency exist with or without the G.E, when things are new and therefore rare they sell for more. Basic economics.

3. Starting to wonder if you even read the Dev blog. Prices will be purely based off of an average taken from player trades, and adjusted purely based on prices that PLAYERS buy and sell for. Players entirely control the pricess. 100%.

4. Spending countless hours buying and selling supplies for a skill does not make it more valuable. Arguably profitable, but given the hours spent buying/selling goods I'd be surprised if that's true. The skill does not become easier at all, no experiences rates change and 99 RuneCrafting will not become any less prestigious because the guy didn't spend an extra few hours buying the rune essence.

5. WHAT. Bots already sell their goods. All of them. The G.E won't magically make bots have 10 times the amount of items they do now. And the prices aren't going to change.

6. Everyone HATES P2P trading as it is now. That's why players used different sites, then auto typers, then trading posts to try sell their goods. People do not like the hassle of selling.

7. The bulk is set quite high, and there is very little reason why, particularly if you're skilling, you'll encounter a lack of resources. Not to mention we don't know the bulk yet, there may not be one. When the vote passes I'd be very confident that will be one of the follow-up questions.

8. If you want to add buy and sell offers than you WANT THE GRAND EXCHANGE. Why waste time altering the Trading Post if we already have an option that does exactly that.

14-Jan-2015 09:33:01

MageofpieHC

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9. RS3/EOC repeat - If GE is added, that'll open up the door to implementing more controversial updates that could lead to past mistakes being repeated, which could be potentially fatal to the overall well-being of OSR.

You just lost every ounce of potential that you could've had a decent argument. The EoC will never pass a vote, you and I both know that. Not even 10% of players would vote for it and they never will. EoC can not be implemented without a vote. This propaganda is so silly. Everything you argued is just so silly. They aren't real reasons, and most of them are flat out wrong. Please think before you post.

14-Jan-2015 09:34:55 - Last edited on 14-Jan-2015 09:36:34 by MageofpieHC

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this man also makes a point. im not against the GE. but the more i think about it i think the trading post could in some ways be better. there would still be ease of access like in the GE, and i think that with the option to post buy offers that it might help eliminate the underselling issue.

14-Jan-2015 09:37:59

Metal Little
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ThePinkRange said :
now that i think about it, the trade post sound like, if not a better, than an equivalently good idea to the GE. if nothing ells it gives us something different from RS3 Exactly, mate! And, they want to throw it all away on the same, old flawed system we have in RS3. Old school is original, but that'll change if GE is passed. :@
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14-Jan-2015 09:43:05

Metal Little
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I didn't say that EOC will pass, I said:
Metal Little said :
If GE is added, that could open up the door to implementing more controversial updates that could lead to past mistakes being repeated, which could be potentially fatal to the overall well-being of OSR. Learn to read, and heed your own advice and think before you post instead of cherrypick and manipulate my posts into your own fallacies. Actually, really do some thinking, period!
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14-Jan-2015 09:51:33

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