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Elksy

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OS Box Trap said :
You are very biased and what he said was nothing official at all. Why are you only trying to argue [said streamer* case, if you care so much shouldn't you care for everyone this effected? The only reason this is becoming a big issue is because [the streamer] is not owning up to it and saying that he deserved what he did, as he did abuse the game to get an unfair advantage.

The thing is, I'm not standing up for one person as an individual, but I am questioning the logic in a move made by the developers that has affected a community as a whole. It's technically not removed from my own account, but to see Jagex actually ignore a player when they have asked (not demanded, but asked politely, live, on their stream) for an explanation, has kind of let a lot of people down because now what are we supposed to think of Jagex staff at this point when they refuse to acknowledge their own paying subscribers?

In my eyes, one of Mod Ash's comments is almost MOCKING the streamer, when the Streamer was just asking for an explanation. He didn't know that Jagex had any kind of actual rule on it, and either did I, along with many others who have played the game for many years.

18-Dec-2014 13:27:00

Elksy

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If this makes me come across as being biased, then let me make sure that everyone understands - I'm a fan of the streamer, sure, but what I am doing is standing up for those who feel let down by the actions taken by Jagex today/tonight.

18-Dec-2014 13:29:50

NotaCoolKid

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Thanks Jagex for serving justice! <3

To all those causing controversy surrounding the subject, bug abuse is a bannable offense WITHOUT warning. Those affected are lucky they didn't lose their accounts all together.

And let's not forget that people (including myself) have been making DIY/IronMan accounts for years without any issue regarding these methods. If the IronMen affected didn't want to play with their integrity intact, they paid the consequences for their actions.

18-Dec-2014 13:36:57

Farm-aros

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Hope in Jagex restored.

People who stocked shops on their account cheated on ironman mode. I don't care that they did it because they didn't think they would get revoked status, they still cheated on the mode and made it a joke for the players who wanted to play ironman and have fun/compete with others for real. If they use their main they're not true to the mode and shouldn't be ironmen. I admit that it's pretty harsh to do this so far into the mode, but it's far better to do it late then never.

Also, the said streamer didn't just abuse the shop before it was fixed and John C said "I'll fix it but I won't ban people or something" but he also abused all the other shops that John didn't fix. Don't try to make him innocent. It's like a person getting banned for botting and saying "I just used a machine that clicked my mouse for alching six hours straight. This isn't fair, I thought they only banned bot programs."

18-Dec-2014 13:43:07

NotaCoolKid

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Let's also remember that the quote from John C was BEFORE the initial release of the mode, and was also his personal opinion and not necessarily the opinion of Jagex as a whole. Also, certain stores were fixed in the beginning which should have been a huge red flag to those affected. Yet they still chose their fate.

Don't flame Jagex or any particular mod for the wrongdoings of players. Hell, for all we know there was some huge fight between Mods in a meeting where they voted on how to handle this. Trust me, you'll never know what goes on behind those closed doors and how much debate is involved in making even the smallest decisions.

18-Dec-2014 13:48:25 - Last edited on 18-Dec-2014 13:49:31 by NotaCoolKid

Elksy

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Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to abuse Jagex or say what the players have done is correct or incorrect - I just want to know the actual rule on it prior to this event, because I never knew it existed.

18-Dec-2014 13:54:22

NotaCoolKid

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There may not be a specific rule that flat out states it, but it literally goes against everything that the IronMan mode existed for.

People have made DIY accounts for years and it was never an official thing, you just had to trust the players word that they never cheated. Now it is an official thing, so obviously Jagex wants to be able to reward those who do it legitimately with the ranks, prestige, hiscores, and badge of an official IronMan.

To think that it was somehow excusable to trade between accounts within stores just because the system didn't block it is nothing more than foolish on the part of the people who abused the methods.

I can't say everyone affected are adults, but to those who are: Let's be adults about this. Simply by the name of the mode, it's pretty much common sense to know that trading between accounts in any sense would be frowned upon and takes away from the legitimacy of the account. Stand up for the wrongdoings you've done, and be a man (or woman) about it. Simple as that.

Should Jagex elaborate and come forth to provide a little more detail? I believe so. Not necessarily to ease the wound, but just so the community can understand why it happened and why it had to happen. At the same time, why should they waste time explaining the obvious away when they could better spend that time to improve the game as is.

Personally i feel the individuals working on the OSRS team are genuinely good people, and do everything they do to support and keep their game alive. That said I support the actions they take on anything that negatively affects the game/community, regardless it if affects me in a negative or positive way.

18-Dec-2014 14:10:57

27nuke

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NotaCoolKid said :
Thanks Jagex for serving justice! <3

To all those causing controversy surrounding the subject, bug abuse is a bannable offense WITHOUT warning. Those affected are lucky they didn't lose their accounts all together.

And let's not forget that people (including myself) have been making DIY/IronMan accounts for years without any issue regarding these methods. If the IronMen affected didn't want to play with their integrity intact, they paid the consequences for their actions.

Except it wasn't a bug. In the ironman dev blog, it was explained exactly how the shops would work for ironmen. The shops were working exactly as designed, and he was using them exactly as designed. There was no rule stating that what he was doing was in any way wrong.

At the worst, the punishment ought to be that they remove the "offending items" from his account. But if you ask me, there should be no more punishment for this guy than there should be for someone who got 99 magic by doing NMZ before they stopped giving free runes. They called that a "bug" too, but that was only labeled a bug so they could fix it without a poll.

18-Dec-2014 14:41:13

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