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As long as they don't take away f2p or allow people to pvp me anywhere if they pay money, I'll still play runescape. Other people doing well doesn't affect me.

Super psyched for mobile.

26-Apr-2018 08:02:02 - Last edited on 26-Apr-2018 08:02:57 by g00ddragon1

Sharp-shin

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g00ddragon1 said :
As long as they don't take away f2p or allow people to pvp me anywhere if they pay money, I'll still play runescape. Other people doing well doesn't affect me.
F2P has such a shallow "endgame" that I can understand why you'd think that you aren't affected, but the reality is that, as long as Runescape remains to be a multiplayer experience, you are always affected in some way(s) by key buyers unloading on keys. One common effect is profitability of resources dropping thanks to the injection of resources from TH's "junk" prize slots; the key buyers are much more interested in lamps and stars, so what they do is dump those junk prizes to the GE, causing the prices of those resources to drop due to increased supply. Furthermore, because the key buyers get their exp from lamps and stars (and lamps that consume bonus exp gained from the stars), they don't need to consume existing resources on the market, which means the demand goes down and thus the price of resources drops even more so.

So even though the game might not directly rub it in your face that "this is one of the consequence of people buying keys", the consequences are there and everyone is affected, whether they realize it themselves or not. All it takes is knowledge of the game and a bit of effort to think and see the effects. > )
"Volat Accipiter libera est; venandi sua natura est."
~Accipiter striatus

26-Apr-2018 11:14:40

g00ddragon1

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Sharp-shin said :
g00ddragon1 said :
As long as they don't take away f2p or allow people to pvp me anywhere if they pay money, I'll still play runescape. Other people doing well doesn't affect me.
F2P has such a shallow "endgame" that I can understand why you'd think that you aren't affected, but the reality is that, as long as Runescape remains to be a multiplayer experience, you are always affected in some way(s) by key buyers unloading on keys. One common effect is profitability of resources dropping thanks to the injection of resources from TH's "junk" prize slots; the key buyers are much more interested in lamps and stars, so what they do is dump those junk prizes to the GE, causing the prices of those resources to drop due to increased supply. Furthermore, because the key buyers get their exp from lamps and stars (and lamps that consume bonus exp gained from the stars), they don't need to consume existing resources on the market, which means the demand goes down and thus the price of resources drops even more so.

So even though the game might not directly rub it in your face that "this is one of the consequence of people buying keys", the consequences are there and everyone is affected, whether they realize it themselves or not. All it takes is knowledge of the game and a bit of effort to think and see the effects. > )

Maybe I should clarify:
I am not having any less fun now than I did before. I've been playing since I had to use a sleeping bag while mining. I ditched my old account to do better in school, but I've enjoyed this game for a while. Whether the prices go up or down, people get 99s, w/e. It's satisfying for some reason to be inefficient. I just level up at my own pace.

26-Apr-2018 12:20:55

Sharp-shin

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g00ddragon1 said :
Maybe I should clarify:
I am not having any less fun now than I did before. I've been playing since I had to use a sleeping bag while mining. I ditched my old account to do better in school, but I've enjoyed this game for a while. Whether the prices go up or down, people get 99s, w/e. It's satisfying for some reason to be inefficient. I just level up at my own pace.
I mean fair enough if you don't care about efficiency, but TH affects so many things, from like said resource prices, to hiscores, to bond prices and so on, that as long as you interact with other players, you are affected by it too. The only way to not be affected is to play completely solo, but even as an ironman it's not always possible because you can't remove other players.
"Volat Accipiter libera est; venandi sua natura est."
~Accipiter striatus

26-Apr-2018 13:05:29

Miu

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WarmongerJ said :
Quite frankly, I don't know why JaGex allows comments on their TH promos to begin with. All you find is the same comments talking about someone's *immeasurable disappointment* that a company is trying to make money. This game isn't P2W.

Its too bad that JaGex doesn't just get rid of these promo announcements altogether and just put an in-game message/ tab that lets a player know of the upcoming/ on-going TH promos . That way they can dodge these comment sections where all people do is moan about how *evil* micro-transactions are. God forbid a company that wants to make money.

One more side note -- These promos most likely don't take any time away from developing new content & updates. Most of these promos are repeats. Hence, JaGex could probably just input a line of code & boom -- You have a smouldering lamps promo.

Looking forward to all the hate comments regarding how I'm defending JaGex.
Record profits.
Content that is only diminishing in both quality and quantity over time.
Terrible customer support.
More and more MTX.
Their answer? Raise the membership price.

If the game was healthy and full of great updates, maybe you'd have a point, but as is it's just milking the last dregs of blood from a dwindling playerbase. As such, their anger is justified.

Don't flatter yourself with saying you're defending jagex, either. Most of that money doesn't go to the bulk of the employees. At best, all the MTX is subsidizing the next game jagex is going to work on and then scrap halfway through development. At worst, it's going straight to the investors and the players will see none of these record profits manifest in any positive aspects in the actual game.

WarmongerJ said :
This game isn't P2W.

L O L
Don't forget – RuneScape members get TWO free spins a day instead of the usual one!

26-Apr-2018 18:33:10

WarmongerJ
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Sharp-shin said :
g00ddragon1 said :

I mean fair enough if you don't care about efficiency, but TH affects so many things, from like said resource prices, to hiscores, to bond prices and so on, that as long as you interact with other players, you are affected by it too. The only way to not be affected is to play completely solo, but even as an ironman it's not always possible because you can't remove other players.
Maybe I simply misunderstand/ don't fully understand the scope of what you're mentioning as I don't really see any of these impacts as huge problems.

Resource Prices -- The only negative thing I can think of in regards to lower resource prices is skilling not being as profitable. But is this really a problem? The skill cap to make money from skilling is non-existent as skilling is basically completely AFK/ requires zero brainpower whereas something like PvM requires a load of expensive gear, utilization of invention, rotation mechanics, risk, etc. I'm sorry that a skiller may be losing profit margins chopping magic trees or fishing rocktails while watching hentai.

Highscores -- Valid point for some highscores (For example the Warped DG set that would drastically increase floor times), but for the most part I don't see the problem. XP highscores? Sure. I'd like to see someone's TH spins get them #1 in monthly Zilyana kills, though. From what I've seen, most of the highscores that actually matter (if you believe ANYTHING in a video game matters to begin with) are the ones that give titles. Most of these are unaffected.

Bonds -- Your point?

To summarize: The points you are making (from my perspective) are over exaggerated and too broadly applied. These really only impact niche players. Most of the player base couldn't give a single sh*t as they don't see it as truly impacting them.

Feel free to point out my ignorance if I missed a huge point/ aspect.
"The first and greatest victory is to conquer yourself; to be conquered by yourself is of all things most shameful and vile." ~Plato~

26-Apr-2018 18:37:43

Iron Gubzs

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As a maxed ironman I shouldn't care about treasure hunter, but I do now that you're hiking membership. If you aren't careful, you are going to seriously damage the playercount of your game.

It's no secret that the studio is working on another "project" that seems to be a new game. Obviously that isn't turning a profit yet and we know that's where your financial"troubles" are coming from. You literally just took a dev away from RS3 on stream.

Don't spit in our eyes by hiking up prices, claiming the money is going to improve our game when you have no intentions of even using it to develop our game, and then spamming treasure hunter promos like a world 2 trade bot.

I'm usually not one to complain about this stuff but this is insulting guys, there's no mutual respect here whatsoever.

How many updates and features have been delayed so long that they're late by over 6 months at this point? This has gotten so much worse in the past 18 months or so. What does come out is usually good quality but why is it taking so long? This is the studio that used to put out a meaningful update every single week and now we're lucky to see something meaningful once every month.

26-Apr-2018 18:55:33 - Last edited on 26-Apr-2018 19:03:14 by Iron Gubzs

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