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Sharp-shin

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Since Jagex is apparently a member of the "Fair Play Alliance", which allegedly doesn't tolerate cheating in video games, it's even more imperative now to get rid of Treasure Hunter, which is exactly that: cheating with your real life wallet! > )


David James said :
Besides, it's not like there wasn't already illegitimate P2W/MTX in the form of RWT (especially rampant at the highest level of players) already. All Jagex did was make it easier/safer/cheaper for the regular player whilst taking a cut for themselves.

You make it sound like Jagex barely contributed to the issue of P2W by offering their own Treasure Hunter service, but it's quite the opposite:

RWTers, whether those that offered bots or already-trained accounts to willing buyers, had to use the same legitimate training methods as the legitimate players, meaning that both RWTers and legitimate players had to put in the same amount of in-game playtime to reach the same goal (assuming the exact same method was used).

With Treasure Hunter, it is the absolute fastest method of in-game hours to reach a skill level goal, and it's impossible to fight against the real whales that unload excessive amounts of money at TH, since they won't even risk getting banned. Against bots, you could still beat them in the long term as they'd get banned eventually and you both had to use the same legitimate methods, and even against people buying legitimately trained accounts, they can get banned for RWT and the real account owner can recover the account back from whom they "sold" it to.

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Regarding everything else, to keep it short, if you let MTX fester, sooner or later it'll get even worse and you wished you hadn't let it spread further. Ironmen might be a target next to sell P2W MTX to (Jagex could find a way), or more and more content might get extra monetized beyond just membership.
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27-Jan-2019 09:05:51

Dilbert2001
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Look at the member list of the Fair Play Alliance:

http://fairplayalliance.org/#members

Look at all the biggest and well known game developers with loot boxes in that list please... Riot, Blizzard, EA, Ubisoft, Daybreak, CCP etc etc etc etc etc etc.

No wonder
loot box is fair play
. TH is fair play. :D :D :D

27-Jan-2019 16:00:29

Sharp-shin

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Looks like another glimpse of hope just appeared for RS3 without Treasure Hunter; EA, one of the most famous gaming companies in the world, was forced to remove loot boxes in FIFA for Belgium players. If a company like EA can be forced to take down its loot boxes, a company like Jagex won't stand a chance when similarly confronted.

For obvious reasons, it'd be much better for everyone if Jagex woke up and voluntarily removed Treasure Hunter, since the company houses some devs who truly love their work and would want to make a great game over endless greed, but if not, it's quite clear that sooner or later, Treasure Hunter will be removed, even if due to regulations.

I can't wait to see a more brighter chapter in Runescape's history again!! > )
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29-Jan-2019 17:04:46

Dilbert2001
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Sharp-shin said :
Looks like another glimpse of hope just appeared for RS3 without Treasure Hunter; EA, one of the most famous gaming companies in the world, was forced to remove loot boxes in FIFA for Belgium players. If a company like EA can be forced to take down its loot boxes, a company like Jagex won't stand a chance when similarly confronted.

For obvious reasons, it'd be much better for everyone if Jagex woke up and voluntarily removed Treasure Hunter, since the company houses some devs who truly love their work and would want to make a great game over endless greed, but if not, it's quite clear that sooner or later, Treasure Hunter will be removed, even if due to regulations.

I can't wait to see a more brighter chapter in Runescape's history again!! > )


Apparently you don't realize EA still have many games with loot boxes running in Belgium. All the other EA Sports games, SWTOR etc to say the least.

Don't forget numerous games, especially new mobile and Steam games with loot boxes were added since April 2018 when Belgium last said a word.

Belgium has never said a word against other EA games, all the Ubisoft games, etc. They even said Pokemon with similar packs like FIFA and Hearthstone are fine there explicitly. :D

29-Jan-2019 18:21:47

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THIS THREAD IS STILL ALIVE? <---the second time I said this. Last time I said this was like.... in the Summer of 2018. Seriously.... F2P can already get the good F2P items like magic notepapers, springs, tight springs, and what not from the oddament store and especially from the Thaler store. I'm out from this convo peace. Call me back here if the topic changes to making Treasure Hunter P2P only. JAGEX PLEASE START PLANING FOR A 300Million Account Event.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Quick find code: 185-186-627-65997434

04-Feb-2019 02:09:44

Dilbert2001
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Doorknob747 said :
THIS THREAD IS STILL ALIVE? <---the second time I said this. Last time I said this was like.... in the Summer of 2018. Seriously.... F2P can already get the good F2P items like magic notepapers, springs, tight springs, and what not from the oddament store and especially from the Thaler store. I'm out from this convo peace. Call me back here if the topic changes to making Treasure Hunter P2P only.


You do realize Thaler store is not TH or even MTX based, right?

If you think Jagex is being stingy to free players, perhaps you have a point but it has nothing to do with MTX or TH. They are doing it because 45% of their revenue still comes from membership. Although Jagex labeled Runescape as a free to play game, it is actually premium or a free-to-play/subscription hybrid.

Realistically, unless the bottom of subscription model falls off, sorry free players are not going to be competitive against members in this game. It may change in the next Jagex games but I don't see that happening in the current Runescape in the next couple of years.

04-Feb-2019 17:19:25

Doorknob747

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Dilbert2001 said :
Doorknob747 said :
THIS THREAD IS STILL ALIVE? <---the second time I said this. Last time I said this was like.... in the Summer of 2018. Seriously.... F2P can already get the good F2P items like magic notepapers, springs, tight springs, and what not from the oddament store and especially from the Thaler store. I'm out from this convo peace. Call me back here if the topic changes to making Treasure Hunter P2P only.


You do realize Thaler store is not TH or even MTX based, right?

If you think Jagex is being stingy to free players, perhaps you have a point but it has nothing to do with MTX or TH. They are doing it because 45% of their revenue still comes from membership. Although Jagex labeled Runescape as a free to play game, it is actually premium or a free-to-play/subscription hybrid.

Realistically, unless the bottom of subscription model falls off, sorry free players are not going to be competitive against members in this game. It may change in the next Jagex games but I don't see that happening in the current Runescape in the next couple of years.


At least Jagex is not going towards a Pearl Abyss business model.
JAGEX PLEASE START PLANING FOR A 300Million Account Event.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Quick find code: 185-186-627-65997434

04-Feb-2019 20:13:58

Draco Burnz
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Sharp-shin said :
Since Jagex is apparently a member of the "Fair Play Alliance", which allegedly doesn't tolerate cheating in video games, it's even more imperative now to get rid of Treasure Hunter, which is exactly that: cheating with your real life wallet! > )


TFW th isnt "cheating".

Definition of "cheat":

cheatDictionary result for cheat
/CH&#275;t/Submit
verb
gerund or present participle: cheating
1.
act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.
"she always cheats at cards"
2.
avoid (something undesirable) by luck or skill.
"she cheated death in a spectacular crash"
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