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Ashlin107

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@Dilbert

Daily events like the "2018 halloween event" are necessary? Well even if that were true Jagex shouldn't have promised they were working on ways to reduce "Dailyscape" and then added things that clearly double down on it. The more promises Jagex break the less believable they become when they make any in future. Heck I'm not even convinced they won't find some way to stuff up their post Runefest plan at this point. It's almost becoming a "boy who cried wolf" situation when it comes to their promises.

But you also said Jagex are making more money than ever many times during this thread and presumably many others. Now you're completely contradicting yourself. So what is it? Do they lack the resources to make updates? Or are they sitting on a stack of cash and they are refusing to spend any of it? Besides OSRS seems to be doing fine just sticking to traditional quest based events, so why can't RS3 when they have more resources?

Also using Highscores in attempt to prove RS3 is more popular than OSRS? Well looking at the September highscores for total xp it shows less people are ranked than the total number of OSRS members even when combined with total RS3 f2p accounts. So point still stands OSRS is far more popular than RS3. The statement below is false.
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20-Oct-2018 11:17:37

Dilbert2001
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Ashlin107,

First, you don't need to do Halloweeen 2018 everyday to get all the rewards. In 15 days of participation you can get all the rewards already. Second, All the rewards are cosmetics and participation is optional. You don't miss any game breaking content if you don't participate at all.

Regarding the "necessity" of "dailyscape" (note: not Halloween 2018 since it doesn't fall exactly into such category), I will only comment on it briefly since this doesn't really have much to do with TH, MTX or anything remotely pertaining to this thread. "Dailyscape" exist in most online games, particularly MMORPG mainly because this genre is very old, it is very hard to generate refreshing ideas anymore so developers are very inclined to recycle old content, hence "dailyscape".

Yes, Jagex has been getting more profitable by the year, I said it all along, and Jagex is plowing back all the money into the company. However, it doesn't mean all the money has to be spent on RS3. They have to look into the future too. They have been hiring a lot of people and making new games, those are undeniable facts. Before you try to complain not every penny made is being spent on RS3, you also have to realize many players, veterans included have expressed their concerns about this MMORPG genre and preferred Jagex to spend some development efforts on new games too. I think Jagex is being inclusive to different kinds of players in the Runescape community.

Before you complain about the "lack of" content of RS3, please look at the Runefest 2018 reveals. It is crystal clear RS3 is getting 7 big updates just this Winter 2018 season. It is not like they are only giving their main game community only 3 big updates with one of them even in serious doubt about its existence in the entire year. RS3 has 7 full content development teams encompassing 75 headcounts. It is not like they only have 20 or 21 members. Jagex has clearly showed their commitment to RS3.

20-Oct-2018 15:25:30

Ashlin107

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Don't need to play the Halloween event daily to get all rewards? Well no just need to play 20 of the 28 days the event (Which is still most of the event) and while it's true you can make up for missed days by doing multiple portals in a day if you did miss a day or two. However can't honestly say this event wasn't intended to be played daily. So it still falls into the category of Dailyscape although there are far worse offenders from the past year.

As for Dailyscape being necessary because of lack of ideas? Yea I don't think even you believe that. Especially considering there are countless ways RS can still grow and add fresh content and there are so many stories that can still be told (eg. unfinished quest lines, promised Runefest ideas that have yet to see the light of day). Plus even if that were true again Jagex shouldn't have stated they were planing on reducing Dailyscape it really gives off the wrong impression and makes them harder to trust.

As for TH not being related to Dailyscape. Well it has affected Dailyscape in the past as well as other forms of MTX.

Jagex don't have to put more money into RS when they are making more money? Well no but since it's their main money making method they should and not less like they seem to be at the moment. Especially considering they need to update this game in order to keep players from going to other games.

Especially when you consider Jagex doesn't exactly have the best track record when it comes to making games outside of RS. Even spin-off games of RS have flopped in the past.

As the Runefest reveals. Well the hardly make up for the lack of content we've had in the past year. Especially considering two the updates were promised months if not years ago. Plus forgive me if I don't take Jagex's word for it considering how many times they've let us down in the past. The statement below is false.
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21-Oct-2018 12:34:57

Dilbert2001
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Past Halloween events were not "dailyscape" events, neither is this year's event. For instance, the 2016 Halloween events also featured the same repeating tasks for grey matters to turn in for different rewards. However, obtaining every reward was optional. Not getting any of these rewards like the "Mad Professor" title or the Spider MD pet don't mean a thing in a player's normal in game progression.

Halloween 2018 doesn't have anything to do with MTX, let alone TH. That's an undeniable fact.

Events like Halloween 2018 may not be what all the Runescape players want to participate in, it is still 9000 times better than "reworks" like Wise Old Man "Rework" or "Nexus Portal" (which did not even materialize as "promised&quot ;) to a lot of players. Personally, I'll rather have optional events like Halloween 2018 than "major reworks" like Wise Old Man or Nexus Portal "Reworks" that I never need and never use. :D

I don't think I need to reiterate Jagex have revealed 7 big updates in just the next 3 months. They definitely don't let me down with only 2 updates in the next 12 months and 1 highly doubtful one that is likely to be abandoned. Jagex also don't let me down with maintaining the RS3 content development workforce at 7 teams and 75 professionals. It is not like they are not delivering a promise of like "24 Jmods" but only showing 21 now. :D :D :D

21-Oct-2018 17:07:25 - Last edited on 21-Oct-2018 17:13:41 by Dilbert2001

Ashlin107

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Well actually many of the Halloween events like the 2016 Halloween event were Dailyscape events. Especially since again you were expected to attend most if not all the days those events ran if you wanted all the rewards. Again unless you were hiding under a rock while those events were on you can't say they weren't intended to be played daily if you actually did play them.

As for the Halloween Events not requiring MTX well no they don't. But I'm not just talking about Halloween events and Dailyscape. As there are many examples of Dailyscape events that actually do have MTX influences like the countless token events that've been done to death at this point or the Beach Party and its reskined versions one of which replaced the Easter event this year. Then there's events directly connected to TH like the Lost Sword type events and those scavenger hunt type events.

As for you taking shots at two updates like the WOM rework and the Nexus Portal. For the former well you are making fun of a qol update that's bigger than 90% of the updates we've had this year so I hope you feel good about yourself. Then we have the portal nexus which is a game changer for OSRS since they don't have lodestones (which in rs3 make almost every other travel method meaningless.) and they were announced a month ago so maybe they delayed it and we all know RS3 hasn't had updates get delayed*sarcasm*. Then we have fact that OSRS has bigger plans for the future despite being made by one team.

As for the it's "optional" argument. Yes and so is playing this game your point? But in all seriousness before we got these types of events people looked forward to this time of the year. Now maybe not.

As the remaining updates this some of which were promised months ago. Well if you're willing to blindly put your faith in Jagex by all means knock yourself out. But I'm going to wait before I consider if they are redeemed or not. The statement below is false.
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22-Oct-2018 08:22:28

Dilbert2001
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Again, Jagex have been running events like Halloween for years with many under similar format of optional participation over many days for a big collection of mostly cosmetic rewards. These are their SEASONAL events, not the "dailyscape" that recurs every day or so like Daily Challenges that give people much bigger than normal rewards than regular game play.

Since you (seemingly) admitted Halloween 2018 doesn't have anything to do with MTX, let alone TH, you should admit Jagex is not running Holloween Event this month of October 2018 for more profits but for the fun of the players. If you still have to complain about the Halloween 2018, there are many such threads in the Recent Update Forum already. :D

OSRS doesn't have loadstones but they added a lot more teleport tabs to adjust for that. Essentially they can just easily add more teleport tabs, scrolls and such to the game on the fly without spending their development time on making a Nexus Portal which they also failed to deliver. Well... talking about better use of development time? I'd rather see them spending it on Live Event, or at the very least something like the Summer Holiday Event they ran every year but 2018. Why can't OSRS developers come up with better content? Not because of MTX obviously, but there are nothing really new at all other than Events to do in this modern era.

So you see? The RS3 content teams have been delivering what they claimed so far, both in term of quantity and quality of their staff size and game content. And they have been extremely transparent too. I don't see what's the big complaint. Did they miss a Summer Holiday Event? Did they promise 24 Jmods but only allocate like 20 or 21 most of the year? Did they fail to deliver any of the revealed content for October? Did they not telling all of us we are going to get 2 more quests the next two months, and that's a lot more frequent updates on quests than they have been doing for 5+ years already? :D

22-Oct-2018 16:58:27 - Last edited on 22-Oct-2018 19:34:30 by Dilbert2001

Ashlin107

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Those events are still Dailyscape since they require you to attend almost all days to gain all the rewards. Doesn't matter if they are seasonal or not they still add to the list of daily tasks players need to do if they want to get the most out of their playing experience and that's what Dailyscape is and that's what most of past Halloween events have been doing adding daily tasks for if players want to get the most out of the events. They are only "optional" if you don't mind missing out on a bunch of rewards which may never show up ingame again.

Also again I'm not just talking about the current Halloween event. That's just the most recent example.

Also these daily events are for the people? Yea no they aren't you even said so yourself this isn't what players wanted. They might not make money directly from these events. But it does make their daily login counter look better when they talk to investors. They could've divided this event into a 4 part quest like they did for Christmas awhile back. But that wouldn't be as good for login count now would it?

All of this shows that TH hasn't made the game any better. If anything we've gone backwards since it was implemented and these Dailyscape events are merely proof of that.

As for OSRS not needing the Nexus because tele tabs. Yea and I guess we don't need Lodestones either since we also have tele tabs but I don't see you complaining about them. But fact is tele tabs aren't free and take up bankspace. Clearly the OSRS community don't want Lodes so this is a good alternative since they have to earn their free teleports unlike us. Not to mention it makes the construction skill far more useful than our construction skill.

Plus they've developed just as many updates for OSRS if not more than RS3. Plus unlike RS3 mobile OSRS mobile actually has a release date. Plus I'd hardly say they running out of ideas since they have bigger plans than RS3. And to top it all off they are run by ONE team. Let that sink in for a bit. The statement below is false.
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23-Oct-2018 13:52:20

Ashlin107

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So you'd rather just have a bunch of copy and pasted daily events that exist only to inflate the login count (despite Jagex promising they'd reduce Dailyscape) instead of updates that improve the game? Good for you you're now in the minority which mostly consists of people who are happy with anything Jagex gives them. You seem to fit that bill quite nicely since you constantly feel the need to defend Jagex to the death no matter how bad their crimes may be or how badly the evidence stacks up against them particularly with RS3.

As for Jagex delivering on their promises. Well Jagex delay updates all the time like with ED2. That didn't arrive the month it was scheduled. Then we have both RS3 mobile and the Mining/Smithing rework both running months behind schedule. We've also had no word on other updates that were promised in the year ahead and last year's Runefest like the off-hand skilling items. I could also mention other things but if you're not getting the point now you may never will.

But point is Jagex hasn't given us much reason to just "trust" them. The Summer beach event you mentioned takes little effort to put in since all they need to do is reuse last year's assets then add a couple of new things then done. Then have this month and them delivering all the updates promised. Well they only made one Dailyscape event cut up into four woop-dee-doo. But seriously if they couldn't deliver those that'd just be pathetic. The statement below is false.
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23-Oct-2018 14:12:09

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