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KILLpavlosog
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Remove TH, and stop the war between players vs company. As a LONG time player of this game I would NEVER want to meet anyone from Jagex. I feel we are at an all out WAR with each other. I would NEVER refer friends to play this toxic corrupt game that is all about stealing the players money. Not actually about the player's experience in the game anymore. Best wishes to all.
Jagex declared WAR on April 2nd, 2012 by implementing MTX.

02-Nov-2020 08:38:50

Dilbert2001
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KILLpavlosog said :
Remove TH, and stop the war between players vs company. As a LONG time player of this game I would NEVER want to meet anyone from Jagex. I feel we are at an all out WAR with each other. I would NEVER refer friends to play this toxic corrupt game that is all about stealing the players money. Not actually about the player's experience in the game anymore.

Jagex has been "stealing" players' money with Bonds since 2012 or 2013? They added Runecoins a little later too. So what? MTX is an integral part of the Jagex. Adding MTX is half about their care on player's experience in the game. WIthout MTX, RS3 will be flooded with at least 120-160k concurrent bots every day.

02-Nov-2020 15:46:05

Draco Burnz
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KILLpavlosog said :
Remove TH, and stop the war between players vs company. As a LONG time player of this game I would NEVER want to meet anyone from Jagex. I feel we are at an all out WAR with each other. I would NEVER refer friends to play this toxic corrupt game that is all about stealing the players money. Not actually about the player's experience in the game anymore.

So are you willing to pay increased membership fee if they did remove TH?

You do know thats the more likely thing to happen right if this idea went through.
Draco Burnz
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03-Nov-2020 01:24:56

Varpushaukka

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333333333 said :
Or why not just ignoring TH and enjoy the game instead?
Hard to enjoy the game when the developers intentionally design parts of the gameplay to be boring so that people would pay to skip those boring parts with MTX. Just take a look at archaeology for example: they added so much boring afking to it, just to try and manipulate people into buying keys to skip having to deal with such a bore.
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07-Nov-2020 18:05:27

Dilbert2001
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Varpushaukka said :
333333333 said :
Or why not just ignoring TH and enjoy the game instead?
Hard to enjoy the game when the developers intentionally design parts of the gameplay to be boring so that people would pay to skip those boring parts with MTX. Just take a look at archaeology for example: they added so much boring afking to it, just to try and manipulate people into buying keys to skip having to deal with such a bore.


Hard to enjoy the game when the developers intentionally design parts of the game play to be boring so that people would pay to skip those boring parts of farming gp to get BiS gear with Bonds? Just take a look at archaeology for example: they added so much exciting interactive content so players have to move around to explore rabbit holes and solve mysteries, locate ancient hidden treasures with tetracompasses, bind demons to our services, etc etc etc instead of aimlessly gathering and banking resources like some bot infested games...

See how populated RS3 is, especially since the release of Archaeology? Another example of how good content overshadows MTX. Now that it is even better that MTX kills vast majority of bots so RS3 players don't have to suffer from 2 gp pure essence and 4 gp flax.

07-Nov-2020 18:56:30 - Last edited on 07-Nov-2020 18:58:05 by Dilbert2001

Yoda2000

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Varpushaukka said :
333333333 said :
Or why not just ignoring TH and enjoy the game instead?
Hard to enjoy the game when the developers intentionally design parts of the gameplay to be boring so that people would pay to skip those boring parts with MTX. Just take a look at archaeology for example: they added so much boring afking to it, just to try and manipulate people into buying keys to skip having to deal with such a bore.


Just a thought. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but they don't allow usage of bxp or lamps on skills for some time after release, correct?

And can you blame a company-whose job it is to make profit and pay employees-for designing their game... To make money?

Like you're basically saying "I can't believe they'd design their game in a way that makes some people want to spend more money". To that, I say... DUH.
I don't really like TH all that much, but I also don't really spend money on TH either. I just don't work on skills I don't really like that much.

09-Nov-2020 01:51:39

Varpushaukka

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Yoda2000 said :
Just a thought. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but they don't allow usage of bxp or lamps on skills for some time after release, correct?
Ever heard of the boiling frog metaphor? That's basically what this is, Jagex has gradually made TH and other MTX worse year by year, slowly but surely, because they know that if they made a change for the worse that was too big to swallow at once, too many people would quit at once to Jagex's liking. Sooner or later they'll probably reduce the exp amnesty time period length, or outright remove it, once doing so no longer shocks people as much as it would now. Maybe they already could get away with it but they are afraid to risk it... yet.

Slightly off-topic, but archaeology for example wouldn't even *be* a skill in the first place, if Jagex cared about fun gameplay: it would be quest content instead, without a pointless exp grind attached to it to drag it out longer than it should last. But without a pointless exp grind attached to it, how would they sell more TH keys?

Yoda2000 said :
And can you blame a company-whose job it is to make profit and pay employees-for designing their game... To make money?
If the money is made through dishonest practices, I absolutely can blame them, yes. As it currently stands, Jagex is operating what's essentially a gambling simulator, without a gambling license. They are reaping the benefits of gambling, without taking in any of the responsibilities that actual gambling businesses have to. Only because the regulations haven't caught up to video games and MTX properly yet. Some countries have begun to look into it seriously, but there's still a long way to go.

Here's an idea: how about if Jagex just made a good game, and then sold a good game (one-time fee or a subscription)? You know, like game developers have operated for two decades, and some of them still do. Jagex would do fine by selling membership only.
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09-Nov-2020 20:54:52

Dilbert2001
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@Varpushaukka

"That's basically what this is, Jagex has gradually made TH and other MTX worse year by year"


It is definitely not true when we can all see them making Action Bars totally free. They are also making TH prizes transparent. They are also limiting the number of TH keys, and items we can buy with Oddments too. They are definitely reducing the reliance of MTX in RS3, otherwise we will see them pushing MTX like buy Prime Gaming Partnership bundle, get a chance to win exclusive prizes from competitions, or buy Prime Gaming get exclusive early access to new content under development.

"But without a pointless exp grind attached to it, how would they sell more TH keys?"


Pointless xp grid? Archaeology has one of the very fastest xp rates among all skills, and I am getting 300k xp from daily challenge and researches without even digging. No need to even spend real money to buy bond, get instant gp to buy resources and still need to spend years to grind to level 99 like in some antiquated MMOs.

"Jagex is operating what's essentially a gambling simulator, without a gambling license. "


You really don't know we don't need a "gambling" license to run a gambling simulator like wagering your BA points to get a random prize or re-roll clue scrolls? :D

09-Nov-2020 21:25:14 - Last edited on 09-Nov-2020 21:26:44 by Dilbert2001

gloomy apple
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Dilbert2001 said :
@Varpushaukka

"That's basically what this is, Jagex has gradually made TH and other MTX worse year by year"


It is definitely not true when we can all see them making Action Bars totally free. They are also making TH prizes transparent. They are also limiting the number of TH keys, and items we can buy with Oddments too. They are definitely reducing the reliance of MTX in RS3, otherwise we will see them pushing MTX like buy Prime Gaming Partnership bundle, get a chance to win exclusive prizes from competitions, or buy Prime Gaming get exclusive early access to new content under development.

Think outside the box.

You can still buy keys, which is still essentially free/unlimited XP. At least with oddments that you could obtain for free every day, you could save up and wait for a sale on oddments. With the new limit on oddments, it now diminishes the value of oddments vastly, and encourages more spending for faster XP.

If the goal was to balance the game, there should be a limit per day on how much XP you can get from MTX/oddments/etc. Check out my suggestion for a Tears of Guthix Sequel

13-Nov-2020 21:11:57

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