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UrekMazino said :
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Having free t80 gear is pay to win

Winning 200m, or even 2b is winning.


Winning a Rainbow gaze is 200m, plague walk is 265m, gem cape is 760m, hot sand walk is 20m, zombie walk is 2115m, gem sack is 1945m, assassin walk is 795m. But I guess these aren't "big" enough for you huh?



Aside from your numbers being off, and i'm not aware of any t80 items on th, what you're saying is, if I buy bonds and buy those items on the GE I'm gambling? Also, now you're claiming that cosmetics help you in the game - give you a boost? How does the zombie walk give you an advantage? lol My Threads:
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12-Sep-2019 15:34:04 - Last edited on 12-Sep-2019 15:37:04 by Uncl

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Uncl said :
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The definition of "gambling" in this thread amounts to saying, all weapons should always hit their max, because if they don't, then you're gambling on stats.

Speculating real money on items they may or may not get.

So membership is gambling?
Membership is an random item these days? Thanks for informing, what does it look like?

12-Sep-2019 15:34:24

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UrekMazino said :
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This is an RPG, where the main objective is to either roleplay, or progressively improve your character. Anything that helps you get an advantage over others towards the objective of the game with real money payment is considered p2w. Just like how buying a better gun in an FPS is p2w because it helps you kill the enemy; or time skippers in those mobile war game because it gets you to the latter stages of the game before others.
So bonds should be outlawed too - you buy a bond, you can get stuff off the GE. That's P2W. Say I buy bonds to buy puzzle skip tickets, I guess I'm gambling My Threads:
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12-Sep-2019 15:40:43

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I Lack Heart said :
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmcumeds/1846/184606.htm

98.We consider loot boxes that can be bought with real-world money and do not reveal their contents in advance to be games of chance played for money’s worth. The Government should bring forward regulations under section 6 of the Gambling Act 2005 in the next parliamentary session to specify that loot boxes are a game of chance. If it determines not to regulate loot boxes under the Act at this time, the Government should produce a paper clearly stating the reasons why it does not consider loot boxes paid for with real-world currency to be a game of chance played for money’s worth.

So with bonds I buy stats and equipment - I go to the da and stake - that bans the game. Maybe with bonds I use it to pk.

This isn't gambling.

Maybe, I make enough gp in the game to pay for my membership and th keys and i'm not spending any real world money My Threads:
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12-Sep-2019 15:44:30

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According "if you pay money for a chance" idea, clue Scrolls are gambling. I pay membership fees so I can do clues. I pay membership so I can boss and do slayer for a chance at drops.

The intent of the law is to prevent cheating. That's the problem with loot boxes. TH and Solomon's Store isn't going to give you an unfair advantage.

"Winning" in this game is more trimmed comp cape, than anything else. My Threads:
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12-Sep-2019 15:52:07 - Last edited on 12-Sep-2019 15:55:55 by Uncl

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Uncl said :
I Lack Heart said :
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmcumeds/1846/184606.htm

98.We consider loot boxes that can be bought with real-world money and do not reveal their contents in advance to be games of chance played for money’s worth. The Government should bring forward regulations under section 6 of the Gambling Act 2005 in the next parliamentary session to specify that loot boxes are a game of chance. If it determines not to regulate loot boxes under the Act at this time, the Government should produce a paper clearly stating the reasons why it does not consider loot boxes paid for with real-world currency to be a game of chance played for money’s worth.

So with bonds I buy stats and equipment - I go to the da and stake - that bans the game. Maybe with bonds I use it to pk.

This isn't gambling.

Maybe, I make enough gp in the game to pay for my membership and th keys and i'm not spending any real world money
Maybe you do, maybe you dont. Only way your example would be relevant is if it was the only way to purchase TH-keys with runescape coins. There is alternative methods just because of this to create smokescreen 'but you can receive the rewards by endlessly grinding the game so it is ok'.

12-Sep-2019 15:52:37

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Uncl said :
According "if you pay money for a chance" idea, clue Scrolls are gambling. I pay membership fees so I can do clues. I pay membership so I can boss and do slayer for a chance at drops.
But just like you just said, you can buy membership with runescape money dont you? And since when did buying membership solve you a clue? Im not even sure if you are trolling because thats how bad your comparison was.

12-Sep-2019 15:54:30

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I'm using your points. I'm showing that now you're saying 'maybe'. That's part of my points. You're trying to use the letter of the law, instead of the spirit. When I write "no one is gambling" there will naturally be exceptions to every rule, as a few people have maxed from TH, but that's not the norm. That's not the vast majority of players. We are here to grind and enjoy the game.

What you need to show is, that removing TH from the game would vastly alter RuneScape. If you can show that, then you'd have a point. My Threads:
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12-Sep-2019 16:01:54

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