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2006

Dilbert2001

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xox Lola xox said :
Dr. David Zendle, from York St John University, said: "The relationship between loot box spending and gambling remains serious and potentially dangerous regardless of whether loot boxes are technically considered a form of gambling or not. We strongly recommend that authorities and regulatory bodies restrict access to loot boxes."

Shame that he is not the authorities at all. He is just one of the invitees and speak on an academic sense.

Shame that even gamer advocates like this one admitted even among gamers, the opinions are divided. Many think loot boxes is not gambling while most think it just feels like gambling but is not the really gambling like lottery:

One possibly unexpected inclusion on the morning panel was Online Performers Group CEO Omeed Dariani. His company represents content creators on a variety of platforms and has a client list ranging from Cohh Carnage and Angry Joe to T-Pain and Dragonforce. He explained that he was asked to represent "the gaming community" on the panel.

He explained that the community does not have a monolithic position on loot boxes

, but did offer a general takeaway from his discussions with gamers.

"

Of the feedback I got, there was a wide variety

, but over and over we had people coming back to this idea it

feels like

gambling. Even we can pretty clearly say loot boxes are not exactly the same thing as entering the lottery or sitting in front of a slot machine, they do have some of the same

feelings

that gambling does."

See? Even the gamer advocates and their hand-picked representative admitted their opinions are of wide variety. They knew loot boxes is not gambling but they insist it

feels like

gambling.

Sure, re-rolling a clue scroll feels like gambling too but so what?

23-Aug-2019 17:35:17

xox Lola xox

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Shame that is completely irrelevant and that the authorities claim to have done no research at all and think research is a good idea.

Shame it being gambling or not just decides which body regulates it, and that it is going to be regulated like it already has been decided in Belgium.

23-Aug-2019 17:46:30

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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xox Lola xox said :
Shame that is completely irrelevant and that the authorities claim to have done no research at all and think research is a good idea.

Shame it being gambling or not just decides which body regulates it, and that it is going to be regulated like it already has been decided in Belgium.

Shame you can't just cherry pick the lone speaker you like and call out all the other speakers as well as the gamer advocate the GAMER COMMUNITY chose as irrelevant.

Shame that even FTC and the Donald Trump can't do that, let alone a John or Jane Doe in a tiny forums of a mid-size UK game developer.

23-Aug-2019 17:49:41

xox Lola xox

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Actually I can as I am well informed regarding child protection and potential harm to children and vulnerable people in the UK. That is more than enough evidence. I think it is also very clear that further research isn't going to look good. So you can keep wasting money debating whether it is gambling or not but the result is no one gives a flying fuck. It is potentially harmful to everyone involved.

23-Aug-2019 17:55:49

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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xox Lola xox said :
Actually I can as I am well informed regarding child protection and potential harm to children and vulnerable people in the UK. That is more than enough evidence. I think it is also very clear that further research isn't going to look good. So you can keep wasting money debating whether it is gambling or not but the result is no one gives a flying fuck. It is potentially harmful to everyone involved.

Do you know the "Dr. David Zendle, from York St John University" you quoted do not work in the UK? Do you know St John University is not in UK? Do you know the FTC of the USA has nothing to do with UK?

Do you know the FTC loot box open house discussion you quoted was aimed at educating and protecting the USA consumers, not anybody from UK, whether they are children or an anoymous free player and therefore not a consumer in the official forums of a UK company?

23-Aug-2019 18:11:30

xox Lola xox

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Dilbert2001 said :
xox Lola xox said :
Actually I can as I am well informed regarding child protection and potential harm to children and vulnerable people in the UK. That is more than enough evidence. I think it is also very clear that further research isn't going to look good. So you can keep wasting money debating whether it is gambling or not but the result is no one gives a flying fuck. It is potentially harmful to everyone involved.

Do you know the "Dr. David Zendle, from York St John University" you quoted do not work in the UK? Do you know St John University is not in UK? Do you know the FTC of the USA has nothing to do with UK?

Do you know the FTC loot box open house discussion you quoted was aimed at educating and protecting the USA consumers, not anybody from UK, whether they are children or an anoymous free player and therefore not a consumer in the official forums of a UK company?

do you have a point?

23-Aug-2019 18:13:02

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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xox Lola xox said :
Dilbert2001 said :
xox Lola xox said :
Actually I can as I am well informed regarding child protection and potential harm to children and vulnerable people in the UK. That is more than enough evidence. I think it is also very clear that further research isn't going to look good. So you can keep wasting money debating whether it is gambling or not but the result is no one gives a flying fuck. It is potentially harmful to everyone involved.

Do you know the "Dr. David Zendle, from York St John University" you quoted do not work in the UK? Do you know St John University is not in UK? Do you know the FTC of the USA has nothing to do with UK?

Do you know the FTC loot box open house discussion you quoted was aimed at educating and protecting the USA consumers, not anybody from UK, whether they are children or an anoymous free player and therefore not a consumer in the official forums of a UK company?

do you have a point?

Ask this question to the person who brought up a USA FTC discussion about general education and protection of USA consumers and tried to relate it to UK children and gambling please.

23-Aug-2019 18:15:14

xox Lola xox

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Dilbert2001 said :
xox Lola xox said :
Dilbert2001 said :
xox Lola xox said :
Actually I can as I am well informed regarding child protection and potential harm to children and vulnerable people in the UK. That is more than enough evidence. I think it is also very clear that further research isn't going to look good. So you can keep wasting money debating whether it is gambling or not but the result is no one gives a flying fuck. It is potentially harmful to everyone involved.

Do you know the "Dr. David Zendle, from York St John University" you quoted do not work in the UK? Do you know St John University is not in UK? Do you know the FTC of the USA has nothing to do with UK?

Do you know the FTC loot box open house discussion you quoted was aimed at educating and protecting the USA consumers, not anybody from UK, whether they are children or an anoymous free player and therefore not a consumer in the official forums of a UK company?

do you have a point?

Ask this question to the person who brought up a USA FTC discussion about general education and protection of USA consumers and tried to relate it to UK children and gambling please.

can you show me the research contradicting that

23-Aug-2019 18:29:11

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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xox Lola xox said :
Dilbert2001 said :
xox Lola xox said :
Dilbert2001 said :
xox Lola xox said :
Actually I can as I am well informed regarding child protection and potential harm to children and vulnerable people in the UK. That is more than enough evidence. I think it is also very clear that further research isn't going to look good. So you can keep wasting money debating whether it is gambling or not but the result is no one gives a flying fuck. It is potentially harmful to everyone involved.

Do you know the "Dr. David Zendle, from York St John University" you quoted do not work in the UK? Do you know St John University is not in UK? Do you know the FTC of the USA has nothing to do with UK?

Do you know the FTC loot box open house discussion you quoted was aimed at educating and protecting the USA consumers, not anybody from UK, whether they are children or an anoymous free player and therefore not a consumer in the official forums of a UK company?

do you have a point?

Ask this question to the person who brought up a USA FTC discussion about general education and protection of USA consumers and tried to relate it to UK children and gambling please.

can you show me the research contradicting that

We are talking laws and regulations, not researches. Don't try to change the topics numerous times please.

23-Aug-2019 18:36:09

xox Lola xox

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There has been relatively widespread reporting. The written evidence the Gambling Commission has sent in to the Committee as well makes clear the existence of the secondary market, where people are trading for cash items that have been acquired through in-game purchases. The gaming companies have a policy saying they do not want people to do this, but it does not mean to say they are effective at stopping them doing it. Well, they will do it when they catch them, but it does not mean to say that they can stop this happening. But the in-game purchases themselves I think have value, so I would say they have money’s worth because people are spending money to acquire these players, then in addition to that, they can also then sell them. There are also examples of people selling other forms of in-game purchases as well and people making very large amounts of money for rare skins for characters in different games and tools and weapons and so on.

23-Aug-2019 18:36:57

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