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Trib
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As touched on above, I do not believe the Schism is an elder artefact or even all that mysterious, but instead is a portal to the Abyss. We know the abyss, according to Zaros, is below the current universe and is comprised of leftovers from past universes that existed in between Revisions by the Elder Gods. To me, this would explain how humans on Teragard use it as a source of power.

The Fremminik are not necessarily from Teragard, but do seem to be aware of the origins of humans being Teragard. As such, when a fremminik dies they would go to the Teragard afterlife, which according to the Divine Delusion is in the Schism itself. I should note, however, that we have been to the Fremminik afterlife during the events of the quest Blood Runs Deep and it does not necessarily appear to be very "abyss-like", though the part of the abyss we conventionally have access to is actually the inside of a giant Cthonian named Hostilius, so the true physical nature of the abyss is unknown. However, I am not entirely convinced that the book was saying the Schism was the primary "Reaper" for humans on Teragard. I am unsure what the book meant by "snapping" souls from their current host, though.

27-May-2016 01:56:51

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Cthris said :
Anyways, based on the fact that Eir is not plankton, or something basic like that. (and isn't some intelligent ape creature if we go by the assumption that only inteligent beings can be reapers) it is reasonable to assume that whatever planet she lends her reapers skills too it cannot be the origins of humans.

The fact that the schism serves as Terraguards death makes a fair bit of sense if it is the origin planet of the majority of intelligent life in the universe because it would probably take millions of years before something competent would die that could serve as death.

Now THIS is very interesting.

You know, I just assumed that reaper=first intelligent life, but come to think of it, I don't think intelligence is ever actually mentioned in game. Very compelling insight.

I had this theory, that sentient life in the multiverse originated as something akin to the esslings from the Runespan (I briefly cover it in my anima thread ). Anyway, the idea is, if souls and magic are both manifestations of anima, then a creature of pure magical potential, formed by coalescing energies in a chaotic realm of pure magic (somewhat similar to how lower planes are described), could eventually evolve into something more substantial, with the capacity for thought and its own soul.

It's mostly headcanon, but still, if Teragard saw natural evolution, and the first creature to die was not alive in the same way we recognize - perhaps it could have been some ball of pure anima, some chaotic entity of raw magic.

Very nice catch, Kastor.

27-May-2016 01:58:49

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If it is a portal to the Abyss, then that still means tearing a soul from its current host is something the Abyss does... which is weird, considering we teleport through it all the time, and can even enter it.
Unless that's just something different about the Schism.. perhaps it is the means by which the first mortal life was able to enter the Abyss, and is actually a portal to the strongest, center of the Abyss, where we've never actually been.
That being said, I just had a thought. When we reestablished communication in Temple at Senntisten, the Zamorakian mage who was sat there maintaining the balance in the Abyss says. "Whew, that was close! Almost lost the Universe there." I thought that was just because of Zaros' immense power, but now I'm wondering if inter-realm movement, specifically the two worlds polar opposite of each other, can actually have a negative effect on the balance of the entire Universe itself? A
World Guardian
must learn to find
Balance
in themselves.
Only then can they
Control
themselves and forge their own
Fate .

27-May-2016 06:55:00

William Witt
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Sepulchre said :
If it is a portal to the Abyss, then that still means tearing a soul from its current host is something the Abyss does... which is weird, considering we teleport through it all the time, and can even enter it.
Unless that's just something different about the Schism.. perhaps it is the means by which the first mortal life was able to enter the Abyss, and is actually a portal to the strongest, center of the Abyss, where we've never actually been.
That being said, I just had a thought. When we reestablished communication in Temple at Senntisten, the Zamorakian mage who was sat there maintaining the balance in the Abyss says. "Whew, that was close! Almost lost the Universe there." I thought that was just because of Zaros' immense power, but now I'm wondering if inter-realm movement, specifically the two worlds polar opposite of each other, can actually have a negative effect on the balance of the entire Universe itself?

Remember what the dark mage says if you talk to him, though? About how he can't afford to break his concentration - How the best case scenario if he does so is something like everyone within a thousand miles having their heads explode and being devoured internally by the creatures of the Abyss, and the worst case scenario is reality folding in on itself and the universe being annihilated in a single stroke?
The Asgarnian ale must flow.

27-May-2016 07:13:18

Sepulchre
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William Witt said :
Sepulchre said :
If it is a portal to the Abyss, then that still means tearing a soul from its current host is something the Abyss does... which is weird, considering we teleport through it all the time, and can even enter it.
Unless that's just something different about the Schism.. perhaps it is the means by which the first mortal life was able to enter the Abyss, and is actually a portal to the strongest, center of the Abyss, where we've never actually been.
That being said, I just had a thought. When we reestablished communication in Temple at Senntisten, the Zamorakian mage who was sat there maintaining the balance in the Abyss says. "Whew, that was close! Almost lost the Universe there." I thought that was just because of Zaros' immense power, but now I'm wondering if inter-realm movement, specifically the two worlds polar opposite of each other, can actually have a negative effect on the balance of the entire Universe itself?

Remember what the dark mage says if you talk to him, though? About how he can't afford to break his concentration - How the best case scenario if he does so is something like everyone within a thousand miles having their heads explode and being devoured internally by the creatures of the Abyss, and the worst case scenario is reality folding in on itself and the universe being annihilated in a single stroke? Idk if that second one is true. Elder Gods and all... A
World Guardian
must learn to find
Balance
in themselves.
Only then can they
Control
themselves and forge their own
Fate .

27-May-2016 07:27:13

Sepulchre
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Either way.. my point is, the Abyss is supposedly unstable and able to create mass destruction..
But according to Zaros.. it's just left over corrupted Anima from the previous cycles. Of course, corrupted Anima can be bad.. in fact, if that's what the Poison Wastes are, then Tirannwn may be in danger of slowly changing into an Abyss-like horror. Scary thought. A
World Guardian
must learn to find
Balance
in themselves.
Only then can they
Control
themselves and forge their own
Fate .

27-May-2016 07:38:35

William Witt
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Sepulchre said :
Either way.. my point is, the Abyss is supposedly unstable and able to create mass destruction..
But according to Zaros.. it's just left over corrupted Anima from the previous cycles. Of course, corrupted Anima can be bad.. in fact, if that's what the Poison Wastes are, then Tirannwn may be in danger of slowly changing into an Abyss-like horror. Scary thought.

I think this universe-destroying instability might have to do with the portal the ZMI have set up, considering that's what the dark mage's concentration can't be broken from. Now that they've done it, they can never close it.
The Asgarnian ale must flow.

27-May-2016 07:50:06 - Last edited on 27-May-2016 07:50:36 by William Witt

Sepulchre
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William Witt said :
Sepulchre said :
Either way.. my point is, the Abyss is supposedly unstable and able to create mass destruction..
But according to Zaros.. it's just left over corrupted Anima from the previous cycles. Of course, corrupted Anima can be bad.. in fact, if that's what the Poison Wastes are, then Tirannwn may be in danger of slowly changing into an Abyss-like horror. Scary thought.

I think this universe-destroying instability might have to do with the portal the ZMI have set up, considering that's what the dark mage's concentration can't be broken from. Now that they've done it, they can never close it. Man don't they know there are better ways to open a portal? Seriously, there's this sword sitting on a desk...... A
World Guardian
must learn to find
Balance
in themselves.
Only then can they
Control
themselves and forge their own
Fate .

27-May-2016 08:43:48

Rondstat

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The Abyss miniquest definitely states that someone needs to constantly maintain the portal, or else risk the universe collapsing.

However, these are ZMI mages working with HIGHLY experimental magic. It wouldn't be unfitting if their conjecture turned out to be flat-out wrong, and they just decided to eternally bind an apprentice to the portal, just in case.

What interests me more is whether the pylon island from Tuska comes is supposed to have any connection to the Schism, as it's the only of these examples to be developed after 1oak's release, and most conspicuously resembles it. Maybe another planet in the human diaspora that attempted to replicate Teragard's energy source? We do know it's linked to anima (that's the whole reason we charge it).

02-Jun-2016 03:31:48

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