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NachtWeaver

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Zulkir said :
I don't agree exactly, but I bet she fancies herself a Phoenix the same way Saradomin paints himself as "The" God.

I personally think an Ascended Auspah makes the most sense, People complain about bringing dead races back, but she wouldn't be of that race anymore, nor would she of been apart of it for an astronomically long time.

This idea just makes sense. We see lots of diversity in gods.

- Saradomin was a Teragardian human
- V was also human
- Armadyl was an Aviantese of Abbinah
- Zamorak was a Mahjarrat from Freneskae
- Guthix was a Naragi
- Bandos of Kal-ikra (unknown race)
- Zaros and Seren are constructs of Mah
- Tuska was a boar-like beast

The only thing that would need to be explained is why Char is Zarosian, when there is an Auspah god who hates Zaros. TFW You can't decide between support Zamorak or Zaros.

15-Nov-2016 21:13:36 - Last edited on 15-Nov-2016 21:18:23 by NachtWeaver

NewLimit

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NachtWeaver said :
Zulkir said :
I don't agree exactly, but I bet she fancies herself a Phoenix the same way Saradomin paints himself as "The" God.

I personally think an Ascended Auspah makes the most sense, People complain about bringing dead races back, but she wouldn't be of that race anymore, nor would she of been apart of it for an astronomically long time.

This idea just makes sense. We see lots of diversity in gods.

- Saradomin was a Teragardian human
- V was also human
- Armadyl was an Aviantese of Abbinah
- Zamorak was a Mahjarrat from Freneskae
- Guthix was a Naragi
- Bandos of Kal-ikra (unknown race)
- Zaros and Seren are constructs of Mah
- Tuska was a boar-like beast

The only thing that would need to be explained is why Char is Zarosian, when there is an Auspah god who hates Zaros.

What? Just because there may be an Auspah God, doesn't mean Auspah have to follow her. By that logic, all humans must follow Saradomin. If QoA does hate Zaros, Char won't know about the Fallen Nihil as Zaros most likely doesn't know what happened to it.

15-Nov-2016 21:25:10 - Last edited on 15-Nov-2016 21:26:35 by NewLimit

Padomenes

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Because Saradomin atleast historically has been a very downtrodden god/faction I also think she might be allies with him and followers?

Aside from this their similarities both involve helping "the weak".

16-Nov-2016 03:05:41 - Last edited on 16-Nov-2016 03:20:25 by Padomenes

Angof Cywir

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Padomenes said :
Because Saradomin is a downtrodden god/faction I also think she might be allies with him and followers?


"Saradomin." "Downtrodden."

What.
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16-Nov-2016 03:09:54

Padomenes

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Well historically I think so atleast since the 6th age.

But anyways I think the QOA could possibly be based off a Greek/Roman mythology deity who is aligned with vengeance, retribution and justice known as Nemesis? Whom is not evil but stands for swift and merciless retribution/justice and avenging the downtrodden or those who have been wronged?

16-Nov-2016 03:23:54 - Last edited on 16-Nov-2016 03:24:19 by Padomenes

Mazakon

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Rondstat said :
I think you're taking things a bit too literally, but I do like the idea of a literal Phoenix god.

Perhaps a bit. However, I still feel that from what we've been given, a phoenix is a likely candidate for what the Queen of Ashes to be.

Padomenes said :
Because Saradomin atleast historically has been a very downtrodden god/faction I also think she might be allies with him and followers?

Aside from this their similarities both involve helping "the weak".

I would like to mention that Saradomin says he protects the weak, whereas the Queen of Ashes would want to add them to her forces.
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16-Nov-2016 15:26:38 - Last edited on 16-Nov-2016 16:56:26 by Mazakon

Wahisietel
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I dunno TBH, current Phoenix lore establishes that Phoenixes are Guthixian, pretty nice, and exceptionally rare, to the point where under normal circumstances, only one Phoenix is alive at a time (current Phoenix & her brother Si'morgh were an extremely rare exception, same goes for our eggling pet potentially.)

The Queen of Ashes isn't about rebirth. She's about revenge .

Plus, if she were a Phoenix, she would have to attend a ritual every 500 years to be reborn, meaning that she would secretly be a Mahjarrat. You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

16-Nov-2016 21:42:08 - Last edited on 16-Nov-2016 21:42:21 by Wahisietel

Mazakon

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Wahisietel said :
I dunno TBH, current Phoenix lore establishes that Phoenixes are Guthixian, pretty nice, and exceptionally rare, to the point where under normal circumstances, only one Phoenix is alive at a time (current Phoenix & her brother Si'morgh were an extremely rare exception, same goes for our eggling pet potentially.)

The Queen of Ashes isn't about rebirth. She's about revenge .

Plus, if she were a Phoenix, she would have to attend a ritual every 500 years to be reborn, meaning that she would secretly be a Mahjarrat.

1) I will admit that some of your first paragraph I did not come across. I figured that there would be a world out there where the Phoenix originated from, sort of like how there are creatures on Gielinor that are few in number but are plentiful on another world.

2) Yes, but the "rebirth" part was in regard to her followers, the "downtrodden" ones which would be reborn in a matter of sense. The revenge part I guessed to have come from the QOA's past and led her to that path.

3) Not sure I understand. Zamorak was a Mahjarrat but upon obtaining godhood he no longer sees need in the rituals for himself. Why would the QOA be different?
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16-Nov-2016 23:45:50

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