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Zulkir

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Padomenes said :
Because Saradomin atleast historically has been a very downtrodden god/faction I also think she might be allies with him and followers?

Aside from this their similarities both involve helping "the weak".

You are not downtrodden. You are complaining against people not liking the actions Saradomin has done and being very vocal about that. You were ripe for some negative lore in the dawn of the 6th age and now you've been dealt a fair hand you're crying oppression.

Noob.
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17-Nov-2016 12:41:44 - Last edited on 17-Nov-2016 12:42:55 by Zulkir

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NachtWeaver said :
Zulkir said :
I don't agree exactly, but I bet she fancies herself a Phoenix the same way Saradomin paints himself as "The" God.

I personally think an Ascended Auspah makes the most sense, People complain about bringing dead races back, but she wouldn't be of that race anymore, nor would she of been apart of it for an astronomically long time.

This idea just makes sense. We see lots of diversity in gods.

- Saradomin was a Teragardian human
- V was also human
- Armadyl was an Aviantese of Abbinah
- Zamorak was a Mahjarrat from Freneskae
- Guthix was a Naragi
- Bandos of Kal-ikra (unknown race)
- Zaros and Seren are constructs of Mah
- Tuska was a boar-like beast

The only thing that would need to be explained is why Char is Zarosian, when there is an Auspah god who hates Zaros.

The Queen of Ashes doesn't as far as we know hate Zaros, it's the fallen Nihil who hates him.
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17-Nov-2016 12:42:19

Padomenes

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Zulkir said :
Padomenes said :
Because Saradomin atleast historically has been a very downtrodden god/faction I also think she might be allies with him and followers?

Aside from this their similarities both involve helping "the weak".

You are not downtrodden. You are complaining against people not liking the actions Saradomin has done and being very vocal about that. You were ripe for some negative lore in the dawn of the 6th age and now you've been dealt a fair hand you're crying oppression.

Noob. >Implying it was a "fair hand".

Where was your faction's own "fair hand" then?

The fact there is no faction more ripe than yours for negative lore and all the others' content, quests etc are being cancelled for yours in the name of a profitable "lazy win"?

17-Nov-2016 13:04:23 - Last edited on 17-Nov-2016 13:56:43 by Padomenes

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Padomenes said :
Zulkir said :
Padomenes said :
Because Saradomin atleast historically has been a very downtrodden god/faction I also think she might be allies with him and followers?

Aside from this their similarities both involve helping "the weak".

You are not downtrodden. You are complaining against people not liking the actions Saradomin has done and being very vocal about that. You were ripe for some negative lore in the dawn of the 6th age and now you've been dealt a fair hand you're crying oppression.

Noob. >Implying it was a "fair hand".

Where was your faction's own "fair hand" then?

The fact there is no faction more ripe than yours for negative lore and all the others' content, quests etc are being cancelled for yours in the name of a profitable "lazy win"?

Negative lore for Zarosians?

The creation of Nihil was an entirely unethical act that bore little fruit to justify it.
Literally none of the other gods or their followers like Zaros.
He entrusted Sliske of all people to be in charge of his police.
He is blatantly self-centered and entitled.
He admits to being a sociopath.
While his empire gleamed on the surface, nearly everything beneath that was rotten and corrupt.
Even though he doesn't lie to you, you know he never tells you the whole truth of the matter.
He only concerns himself with those who want to pursue power and restraint. Everybody else might as well die for all he cares.

'It is my belief that everything that occurs in life – both good and bad – should be used to forge oneself, to better oneself.
If we give in to weakness, then we do not deserve the gift of life.
Where Guthix sought balance in the world, I seek balance in oneself. One must strive to increase in power, but also in knowledge of how to wield that power.'

17-Nov-2016 14:12:52

Hguoh

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And no, Saradomin and Saradominists are not canonically downtrodden. Saradominism has, rather notably, become the most dominant form of religion practiced by humans on Gielinor (perhaps with the exception of adventurers), and that hasn't really changed since the start of the 6th age.

17-Nov-2016 14:18:53

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Hguoh said :
Negative lore for Zarosians?

[list of 'negative' lore] none of that is really negative since he's doing it all to make the universe a (from his perspective) better place
also, he's an alien and naturally a sociopath (all sociopaths are natural, but they're also deviations from the norm and for his race, zaros isn't a deviation), you can't expect him to understand how humans normally do things, but you can expect that of saradomin and many of the more human-like gods

If a lion eats a person, you're not too disturbed. I mean, it's sad for the person but lions are lions and that person should have been more careful
If, on the other hand, a person eats a fellow person, suddenly that's very disturbing since you expect that persons generally know how rude that is Carn

17-Nov-2016 16:49:56

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Maiden China said :
Hguoh said :
Negative lore for Zarosians?

[list of 'negative' lore] none of that is really negative since he's doing it all to make the universe a (from his perspective) better place
also, he's an alien and naturally a sociopath (all sociopaths are natural, but they're also deviations from the norm and for his race, zaros isn't a deviation), you can't expect him to understand how humans normally do things, but you can expect that of saradomin and many of the more human-like gods

If a lion eats a person, you're not too disturbed. I mean, it's sad for the person but lions are lions and that person should have been more careful
If, on the other hand, a person eats a fellow person, suddenly that's very disturbing since you expect that persons generally know how rude that is

By that logic, Saradomin's (or heck any god's) negative lore isn't really negative. Even Bandos, in his own twisted little way, was trying to make the world a better place from his perspective.

And him 'naturally' being a sociopath does not annul the fact that he has minimal understanding of the emotions and desires of mortals (which is fairly important since he wants to lead them, albeit behind the scenes).

17-Nov-2016 17:22:07

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NachtWeaver said :
Zulkir said :
I don't agree exactly, but I bet she fancies herself a Phoenix the same way Saradomin paints himself as "The" God.

I personally think an Ascended Auspah makes the most sense, People complain about bringing dead races back, but she wouldn't be of that race anymore, nor would she of been apart of it for an astronomically long time.

This idea just makes sense. We see lots of diversity in gods.

- Saradomin was a Teragardian human
- V was also human
- Armadyl was an Aviantese of Abbinah
- Zamorak was a Mahjarrat from Freneskae
- Guthix was a Naragi
- Bandos of Kal-ikra (unknown race)
- Zaros and Seren are constructs of Mah
- Tuska was a boar-like beast

The only thing that would need to be explained is why Char is Zarosian, when there is an Auspah god who hates Zaros.
Why is Azzanadra/Athanakos/Wahisietel zarosian when there is a mahjarrat god who hates Zaros? NO
I do not ship ZamorakxZaros.
I follow them. And Marimbo, the best t5 god.

17-Nov-2016 19:23:39

ZAmorakZaros
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Maiden China said :
Hguoh said :
Negative lore for Zarosians?

[list of 'negative' lore] (all sociopaths are natural, but they're also deviations from the norm and for his race, zaros isn't a deviation) His race consists of him and his kind of polar opposite. I don'tc think your argument is valid NO
I do not ship ZamorakxZaros.
I follow them. And Marimbo, the best t5 god.

17-Nov-2016 19:26:23

ZAmorakZaros
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Hguoh said :
And no, Saradomin and Saradominists are not canonically downtrodden. Saradominism has, rather notably, become the most dominant form of religion practiced by humans on Gielinor (perhaps with the exception of adventurers), and that hasn't really changed since the start of the 6th age.
And the religion with the most land under it's rule.
And the religion following the most powerful young god.
And they won BoL. If they were downtrodden, he would have lost NO
I do not ship ZamorakxZaros.
I follow them. And Marimbo, the best t5 god.

17-Nov-2016 19:28:44

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