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ZAmorakZaros
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PyraTheAegis said :
Sepulchre said :
ZAmorakZaros said :
Sepulchre said :
Solanumtinkr said :
Of course this all assuming we have heard of or met this entity before. The Elders have to have made a lot of enemies during countless Revisions. It all has to have started somewhere, It wouldn't surprise me in the least that someone saw the first Revision coming and took steps. I know this means they've been playing a long and any anger may have long departed, but Revenge is a dish best served cold.

That would make gathering the gods just another cog in their plan. Well Raven said on Twitter that this character is someone we knew of prior to the release of Kindred Spirits.
Why is no one agreeing with my theory that it is us from an alternate dimension? We know us well! Because (and I mean no offense to you personally, I mean this from a storytelling POV) that would be stupid. It's literally THE MOST uncreative answer possible.

"We need a new villain, but we're out of ideas." "... Main character from another world cliché!" Sliske's master is already a cliche. "We need a new villain and Sliske is getting axed." "Oh I know there was a greater evil all along cliche!"
Who knows. Maybe they want more cliches. That cliche is bigger than the one I suggested after all... Well the truth may be that I want to fight Me II: The ultimate evil edition. And also Me II: the undead edition. Why did Akrisae have to jump in front of me... NO
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07-Jul-2016 18:58:08

Ojacha

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There are several hints shown in the cutscene:
-The way this person talks, without any emotion or empathy.
-Their dialogue text being yellow/orange. I don't think Jagex did this for no reason.
-They know how to use the staff to locate the Stone of Jas, as they told Sliske how to do it.
-They wanted all of the gods gathered together.

Another thing about this person that might be less true is:
-He/she might want to start a God War for some reason (Sliske said he wanted to if you ask him what his goal is after Fot*. This goal might fall in line with that of the mysterious master.) Gathering the gods would be an important first step in this plan. The purpose of another God War is up for debate.

With all this in mind, the one I'm leaning toward is Jas. We know the Elder Gods are devoid of human emotion, and only focus on getting the job done. The yellow/orange dialogue text falls in line with her allignment (sand). And who would know how to use the staff better than the gals who made them in the first place?

Why an Elder God would want to risk total destruction of her perfect world through a God War is up for debate. Maybe she simply wants all the young gods destroyed.

Another one that comes to mind, but one that is less likely, is Ocellus Virius. What if he needs the soul of the World guardian for that Guthix statue in his dungeon? Then again, this would make little sense. Why kill the original Guthix only to resurrect him using the soul of his 'succesor'? Unless he teamed up with that snake after Guthix was killed. It also wouldn't explain the yellow/orange text.

Also, I only remember Jagex saying it was an existing character. That doesn't mean we have met them in-game yet. Better yet, if we had known the owner of the mysterious voice we would have recognised it. (Might be a stretch, as your in-game character is often an idiot).
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07-Jul-2016 21:19:25

Sepulchre
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PyraTheAegis said :
Sepulchre said :
ZAmorakZaros said :
Sepulchre said :
Solanumtinkr said :
Of course this all assuming we have heard of or met this entity before. The Elders have to have made a lot of enemies during countless Revisions. It all has to have started somewhere, It wouldn't surprise me in the least that someone saw the first Revision coming and took steps. I know this means they've been playing a long and any anger may have long departed, but Revenge is a dish best served cold.

That would make gathering the gods just another cog in their plan. Well Raven said on Twitter that this character is someone we knew of prior to the release of Kindred Spirits.
Why is no one agreeing with my theory that it is us from an alternate dimension? We know us well! Because (and I mean no offense to you personally, I mean this from a storytelling POV) that would be stupid. It's literally THE MOST uncreative answer possible.

"We need a new villain, but we're out of ideas." "... Main character from another world cliché!" Sliske's master is already a cliche. "We need a new villain and Sliske is getting axed." "Oh I know there was a greater evil all along cliche!" There always is a greater evil. That's not a cliché, that's a fact of life. A
World Guardian
must learn to find
Balance
in themselves.
Only then can they
Control
themselves and forge their own
Fate .

08-Jul-2016 05:28:46

Elvarg II
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I don't know if this has been mentioned already but I've read through a couple of pages of this post and couldn't find anything so here's my idea:

I'm very partial to the idea that the person sliske is talking to in the cutscenes is in fact the sixth Elder God. That I know has been mentioned on this thread numerous times, but without any idea of what this god stands for I just found it one of the more difficult theories to believe.

However, I saw a Reddit post where an anonymous user suggested the sixth Elder God is the divine aspect of Anima, and this slightly blew my mind. Possibly it is, and what sliske is talking to is some kind of manifestation of this elder god. Zaros does say this God is not of form, but of something else, and we know that anima can manifest in a creature when need be so maybe sliskes accomplice is this manifestation. It would account for several things, namely the lack of emotions, and possibly even an explanation of sliskes motivations. We know he was a high ranking general under Zaros, so he would've been knowledgable on the fact that the elder gods were awakening and of Zaros' plan to stop them. Perhaps sliske disagreed with Zaros' methods and is seeking his own means through this possible elder god.

09-Oct-2016 18:41:54

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Here's the evidence that i have gathered.

1. Sliske is a follower he can work independently for a while but, his personality leaves him without any personal goals. There is nothing that Sliske wants so he lets others make goals for him if it is in line with his beliefs.

2. Sliske is someone who seems to align himself with the strongest person at the time. We can see this evidence with Zaros, who despite Sliske's claims, excommunicates Sliske. Zaros having sliske as one of his closest followers for years probably knows plenty about Sliske. If Sliske is someone who moves to the strongest power at the time it would also explain why Zaros is taking so much time in his plans. Zaros knows there is a greater threat looming and Sliske is on it's side.

3. Xau-Tak despite being a fantastic contender is more than likely not going to be the one controlling Sliske. His mystery definitely would convince us otherwise but, his ties to Pirate quest line might make it more difficult for him to blend in with the main story and the pirate story and still keep within the planned time frame of Fate of the Gods 2 and Sliske's end game (which will probably end up with the death of Sliske or the reveal of his true master(or both)) The more likely scenario is that Sliske is conspiring with the Elder gods (also an upcoming quest within the next few months) The character sliske is speaking with seems to have a strong understanding of the Elder Artifacts and it's color of text is very similar to to the known theme colors of Jas.

So I'm not totally ruling out Xau-Tak because they did mention him in the quest line and made him sound important. However, evidence of in game and future game plans points in the direction of a waking Elder god looking to make a show of his arrival with unknown plans except that he wants the gods in the same place. Meanwhile, Zaros is lying in wait until he knows whats going on for sure or until sliske has the opportunity to ascend in godhood.

01-Nov-2016 05:51:25

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Leo Di Vinci said :
So I'm not totally ruling out Xau-Tak

You should, as Mod Wilson outright stated it isn't Xau-Tak.

Mod Wilson said :
Hey there. Much as I enjoyed seeing this thread pop up I'd like to confirm something; the mysterious voice in that cutscene is NOT Xau-Tak. Its words carry significantly more weight. ;)

...No, literally. >_> If Sliske comprehended the meaning behind the Black Howling of Xau-Tak then the parts of his brain responsible for processing languages and memory would gain enough gravity that his head would compact to the size of a child’s fist.

It was confirmed at RuneFest that will we find out who Sliske's master is in the Endgame. While people point to the voice saying "Staff" instead of "Siphon" as evidence towards it not being an Elder God, I do think it is one. I maintain my theory that although Jas boiled her egg to make the Stone of Jas, there is a spirit of an Elder God still resting within, so the goal of the tournament is to determine who will become the vessel of the Stone of Jas. Likewise, I also believe that when Zaros told Seren of the Elder Gods, the one of "something else" other than form could be Sliske's master. Now, I'm inclined to believe that these two possibilities are not mutually exclusive, so the spirit in the Stone could also be the Elder God without form (Or of "something else", in case that somehow doesn't necessarily mean the same thing as "without form&quot ;) , but for now I'm going to think it's either one or the other.

01-Nov-2016 15:58:47

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It's Zaros, and has been all along. I think that everything from Guthix's death right up to now was part of Zaros's plan, and excommunicating Sliske was merely a sham to use him as a scapegoat. Sliske still continuing his God Wars game isn't just for his entertainment, but because either Zaros still requires it as a distraction, or because it's essential to his plan.

-"The way this person talks, without any emotion or empathy."
Zaros is known to not experience emotion as we know it, and finds it an alien concept.

-"Their dialogue text being yellow/orange. I don't think Jagex did this for no reason."
Gold is one of Zaros's colours, along with purple and black. Purple text would be way too obvious.

-"They know how to use the staff to locate the Stone of Jas, as they told Sliske how to do it."
Given his direct relationship to the Elder Gods, it wouldn't surprise me if Zaros was very knowledgeable about their artefacts.

-"They wanted all of the gods gathered together."
My current theory on the purpose of Sliske's actions is that by obtaining the two most powerful Elder Artefacts and gathering several gods, the World Guardian and possibly Death all in one place, there is a vast abundance of divine energy all in one place that Zaros could use in order to ascend to Elder Godhood. We know that that is his ultimate goal, but Zaros has always been quiet on how exactly he's going to achieve this. This is also where Sliske's research into the siphoning of souls comes into play - Maybe the Staff will be used to siphon the gods' souls into Zaros?

Additional thing to consider -

- Sliske doesn't seem worried about the Great Revision at all
I don't buy the "Master is an Elder God" theory, so my explanation for this is that Sliske is still banking on Zaros's plan working, which might suggest that he's still in league with Zaros.

16-Nov-2016 11:05:44 - Last edited on 16-Nov-2016 11:17:43 by ChernoAlpha

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It really isn't Zaros.

That is to say, keeping this big mystery then revealing to be Zaros, would be pointless and one of the biggest anti climactic's since Saradomins new form or Salt in the wound.

The way the voice talks is very brief and "Emotionless", Zaros does not talk in small sentences, he talks in chapters and while yes emotion is alien to Zaros, it's not beyond his reach and has shown he can express it, albeit in his own way.

As for the staff, the voice used the mortal word for it. Zaros has always used the artefacts proper names and wouldn't switch up the terms just to talk to Sliske, To me this sounds like a mortal whose done their homework, especially on the matters of the soul. Zaros doesn't deal in those. But we know someone who does.

Y'know I'm betting it'd take a lot more than siphoning the power from a few lessers into himself in order to ascend to the highest state of being that exists in this canon. Something like.. draining the essence from an egg that's to become an Elder god. All of it.

Why would Sliske be worried? Maybe he wants us to wake up an Elder god to squash him.
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