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Sepulchre
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ZAmorakZaros said :
Sepulchre said :
Solanumtinkr said :
Of course this all assuming we have heard of or met this entity before. The Elders have to have made a lot of enemies during countless Revisions. It all has to have started somewhere, It wouldn't surprise me in the least that someone saw the first Revision coming and took steps. I know this means they've been playing a long and any anger may have long departed, but Revenge is a dish best served cold.

That would make gathering the gods just another cog in their plan. Well Raven said on Twitter that this character is someone we knew of prior to the release of Kindred Spirits.
Why is no one agreeing with my theory that it is us from an alternate dimension? We know us well! Because (and I mean no offense to you personally, I mean this from a storytelling POV) that would be stupid. It's literally THE MOST uncreative answer possible.

"We need a new villain, but we're out of ideas." "... Main character from another world cliché!" A
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Only then can they
Control
themselves and forge their own
Fate .

06-Jul-2016 06:11:23

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A great momentum is building in Sliske quest series, and it's increasing. This momentum is increasing because of great storytelling, things at stake, revelations and so on. Now we know that Sliske has a master, and it'll be a summit in the series when his/her identity is revealed. Because we have this great momentum, the culmination should be proper for it. It could be possible that Sliske's master is us from another dimension, but it'd make the momentum go flat on that spot although it should slow down slowly after a satisfied revelation.

Kemtros said :
I think the 2017 survey might also give an idea. Is it just me, or did anyone notice that the Sixth Age pillar options in the poll seemed more interested in the Elder Gods than the Dragonkin? I figured that the Dragonkin would be the most natural choice for what's next, and the Elder Gods would be saved for last, while the third pillar would move up from being just the Stone of Jas contest to a larger young god storyline. [ ]

I may not remember correctly, but has Sliske's master been already decided? We know that it'll be an existing character who is at least mentioned briefly and it is someone whose attitude and knowledge match on his/her speech in that cutscene. It'd be wise for JaGeX to listen the community, and the success of Sliske's master probably affects the future quests in 2017 so the developers may have left the identity of the master ambiguous (the characteristics of the master can fit on many candidates) until they know what kind of quests we want. Loristic, the Seeker of Lore, the Archivist of Knowledge, the World Guardian, the Diplomat of Cabbages, and the Regent of Miscellania. May anima mundi be with you and hail Guthix!

06-Jul-2016 15:29:27

ZAmorakZaros
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Sepulchre said :
ZAmorakZaros said :
Sepulchre said :
Solanumtinkr said :
Of course this all assuming we have heard of or met this entity before. The Elders have to have made a lot of enemies during countless Revisions. It all has to have started somewhere, It wouldn't surprise me in the least that someone saw the first Revision coming and took steps. I know this means they've been playing a long and any anger may have long departed, but Revenge is a dish best served cold.

That would make gathering the gods just another cog in their plan. Well Raven said on Twitter that this character is someone we knew of prior to the release of Kindred Spirits.
Why is no one agreeing with my theory that it is us from an alternate dimension? We know us well! Because (and I mean no offense to you personally, I mean this from a storytelling POV) that would be stupid. It's literally THE MOST uncreative answer possible.

"We need a new villain, but we're out of ideas." "... Main character from another world cliché!"
Well They already have proven that other worlds exist... Maybe every one of us is our own world?

But there has to be a world where we are all powerful and power hungry NO
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06-Jul-2016 16:07:50

Raleirosen

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Loristic said :
I may not remember correctly, but has Sliske's master been already decided?
Yes. And what you're suggesting is ludicrous; I would much rather Jagex plan all of this story content out years in advance (as they do), rather than make **** up as they go along in the hopes of matching whatever insane expectations the players may have at any given moment. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

07-Jul-2016 00:59:59

AesirWarrior
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Zulkir said :
Kemtros said :
The master being Death would probably only work about as well as however Strisath got captured. Though wasn't Death captured primarily to bait Icthlarin?

I'm inclined to suggest Saradomin just because he shows up after Sliske killed Guthix. I get that Jagex needed to have somebody show up, and I hope it isn't him, but* that arrival was way too convenient.

That's the thing though. How on earth do you capture personified Death, much less contain it in a mere cage?



He's... Not really the personification of Death though. He's just a guy who's been given the task of severing the link between soul and body, not some cosmic being representing death as a concept. Besides, it's been established that all of his power comes from the scythe. -
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07-Jul-2016 02:08:08

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^

Probably not all of his power. In the Roots of the Community lore story, he gives up his scythe to Cres, and he is still crazy strong. Also, since Cres had it for a few weeks, and going by the assumption that Death didn't just let all the dead people stew in their flesh prisons, then he must have been able to reap souls without it.

07-Jul-2016 02:23:27

Sepulchre
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All of his power doesn't come from the Scythe, no. His Scythe acts as a special tool used to separate souls from their bodies. It also apparently used to be bigger, or he used to have a different scythe altogether. We know this because Icthlarin says that Death's helpers have shards of his scythes blade to reap souls in his absence.
My guess is that his powers are all his own, but the ability to separate souls from their physical bodies comes from the scythe. A
World Guardian
must learn to find
Balance
in themselves.
Only then can they
Control
themselves and forge their own
Fate .

07-Jul-2016 06:02:44

PyraTheAegis
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Sepulchre said :
ZAmorakZaros said :
Sepulchre said :
Solanumtinkr said :
Of course this all assuming we have heard of or met this entity before. The Elders have to have made a lot of enemies during countless Revisions. It all has to have started somewhere, It wouldn't surprise me in the least that someone saw the first Revision coming and took steps. I know this means they've been playing a long and any anger may have long departed, but Revenge is a dish best served cold.

That would make gathering the gods just another cog in their plan. Well Raven said on Twitter that this character is someone we knew of prior to the release of Kindred Spirits.
Why is no one agreeing with my theory that it is us from an alternate dimension? We know us well! Because (and I mean no offense to you personally, I mean this from a storytelling POV) that would be stupid. It's literally THE MOST uncreative answer possible.

"We need a new villain, but we're out of ideas." "... Main character from another world cliché!" Sliske's master is already a cliche. "We need a new villain and Sliske is getting axed." "Oh I know there was a greater evil all along cliche!"
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07-Jul-2016 14:02:31 - Last edited on 07-Jul-2016 14:02:52 by PyraTheAegis

AesirWarrior
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Yeah I should have said "most" of his power instead of "all", since he obviously has some power without it. Worth mentioning though that his scythe has several blades so he'd still have most of it left even when Cres was working on it (though I felt that whole part was highly metaphysical so it could have been the entire scythe somehow) Regardless, I seem to remember a q&a a while ago that claimed the vast majority of it was in the scythe.


Anyway this reminds me of a theory I had a while ago. In Death's office the stained glass windows depict Guthix giving Death his scythe. Now, this doesn't make much sense, as Harold was already Death before Guthix made him a Guardian of Guthix, and the scythe is vital in his role as it's the tool that severs the link between soul and body.

My theory is that Death's limitation of only being able to take those whose time have come was placed upon him by Guthix to maintian balance. Guthix realised how dangerous an unhinged Death would be that he tied a large portion of his powers to the scythe.

In fact, there's actually dialogue in TWW where Death says that Guthix did in fact bestow a weakness upon him. However, I'm not sure how "canon" that is, because it seems to have been made before the lore that the first person to die becomes Death and appears to imply that Guthix made Harold Death. -
I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

07-Jul-2016 15:35:38 - Last edited on 07-Jul-2016 15:46:55 by AesirWarrior

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AesirWarrior said :
Anyway this reminds me of a theory I had a while ago. In Death's office the stained glass windows depict Guthix giving Death his scythe. Now, this doesn't make much sense, as Harold was already Death before Guthix made him a Guardian of Guthix, and the scythe is vital in his role as it's the tool that severs the link between soul and body.

My theory is that Death's limitation of only being able to take those whose time have come was placed upon him by Guthix to maintian balance. Guthix realised how dangerous an unhinged Death would be that he tied a large portion of his powers to the scythe.

In fact, there's actually dialogue in TWW where Death says that Guthix did in fact bestow a weakness upon him. However, I'm not sure how "canon" that is, because it seems to have been made before the lore that the first person to die becomes Death and appears to imply that Guthix made Harold Death.

Considering Death can also kill with his touch, I highly doubt that the scythe is necessary for his job. Rather, it likely just makes it easier/quicker.

Also considering Guthix's jaunts about the universe, connection to anima, obsession with Balance, and the fact that he brought humans to Gielinor, it's entirely possible that everything Harold knows about being Death he learned from Guthix. This would mean that the scythe actually could have been Guthix's creation and that any limitations on Harold could either have been applied by Guthix's own power, or just points where Guthix misled him.

07-Jul-2016 16:57:33

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