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Raleirosen

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Godless need quests before they’re included in another world event, otherwise they’ll just be rightfully ignored again Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

25-Jan-2018 15:08:15 - Last edited on 25-Jan-2018 15:13:33 by Raleirosen

Quael
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Raleirosen said :
Godless need quests before they’re included in another world event, otherwise they’ll just be rightfully ignored again

They don't really need a quest, before a world event. They just need more in-game interaction. It can be quests, mini update; or a world event dedicated to their lore. A world event is a opportunity for that. Either way quest or not, they will still be ignored like everything else.
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25-Jan-2018 17:30:53

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Quael said :
They don't really need a quest, before a world event. They just need more in-game interaction. It can be quests, mini update; or a world event dedicated to their lore. A world event is a opportunity for that. Either way quest or not, they will still be ignored like everything else. you're right, what I meant was that they need some kind of story content in general; quests just happen to be the most straightforward form. but if they're put in any sort of competitive world event before that happens, they'll get neglected and crushed with nothing having been gained for their inclusion. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

25-Jan-2018 18:48:32

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MystLunaris said :
New Quests for the Godless would be great, I'd love a Fremennik Saga style story of Garlandia standing up to Saradomin and her subsequent exile and then escape to Gielinor.

That would be awesome. I do recall hearing that once the Godless quest gets action, it would be based around the faction's situation and plan, as well a possible feature of the Queen of Ash. Hopefully they can do good for the Godless.
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26-Jan-2018 14:31:48

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MystLunaris said :
New Quests for the Godless would be great, I'd love a Fremennik Saga style story of Garlandia standing up to Saradomin and her subsequent exile and then escape to Gielinor.

That sounds like a good idea, at least for several members we know that are a part of the Godless faction. However, at this point the Godless (and likely Armadyl), would need more than just an introductory quest/sagas/tales. I feel they need a quest that gives them something of value, whether it be an item, objective, etc. At the very least, getting something started.
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26-Jan-2018 23:21:02

Quael
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Mazakon said :
MystLunaris said :
That sounds like a good idea, at least for several members we know that are a part of the Godless faction. However, at this point the Godless (and likely Armadyl), would need more than just an introductory quest/sagas/tales. I feel they need a quest that gives them something of value, whether it be an item, objective, etc. At the very least, getting something started.

I agree, the most focus we ever given to the factions were mostly Saradomin with the Death of Chivalry, Zamorak with Dishonor among thieves (Featuring Saradomin, Armadyl and Bandos) and Children of Mah, Seren with the tower of voices and the Light within (featuring Zaros) and Children of Mah, Zaros with Fate of the Gods (featuring Seren as extra lore) and also Children of Mah, Bandos with 3 quests with him being featured and one after he died. V who died in the same quest. The only time we seen Armadyl, is Missing presumed death. This is before Sliske's Endgame mind you. The Godless were only featured in 2 quest but as a mention, and Missing presumed death if you are aligned with them as a faction, you enter mentioning you have more rights as a mortal to be here than them. I would count Sliske, but he was in almost every quest, as well as some minor events that involved shadow realms. I am also not including World Events features, that's a long list.

Even Saradomin and Zamorak had another quest together, Evil Dave's. Now they just confirmed rite of passage, taking place after Sliske's Endgame. In a recent Q&A they confirmed that after Sliske's Endgame the godless were planning on something.

Mod Osborne did say once in a live stream that the reason why the Godless had little attention in lore was because they're wanting to give more story to the Gods. I think that is great, but they should include the Godless in some sort of way and avoid it being a "mentioned" only. [Con]
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28-Jan-2018 19:43:40 - Last edited on 28-Jan-2018 19:53:03 by Quael

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Like for example, they did say they would feature the queen of ash in either the mighty fall 2, or in the Godless quest. They should try and give some small D&D towards Emissaries of the gods so we can get some extra lore and small idea of what they give their members of the faction.

The Problem right now is that while we are told in lore that some action do happen behind our backs, it is very little that even Sliske was bored. WE were promised great changed to the world, and conflicts while we were given 3 world events and a few miniature world event, they still weren't world changing, and one of the miniature world events, while they were good, featured very little. Over all a 4th world event featuring the godless as a main faction would work, it would give more lore into the Godless, new npc's, and clear up people's misunderstanding about them. A Quest coming first or second would help more into what the Godless do, who's their leader, and what have they been doing off screen. Maybe also answer some questions people have.

And maybe some D&D to those who are either aligned to them, or are interested in helping them for their own benefits.
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28-Jan-2018 19:51:14

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I am still curious to how powerful the
Queen of Ashes
is, we never got a Godhood Tier for her nor did we really for
Xau-Tak
and I don't believe it was confirmed that the 6th entity Zaros mentioned in TLW was Xau-Tak or something else entirely.

There was also a statement made if Zaros and Seren were even aware either of these threats and would they be able to stop them? Sliske mentions both the QoA and XT in SE.

Do we have enough "firepower" to combat these threats? Xau Tak seems to transcend time and space and could very well be a Tier 2 entity or something even more powerful.

V
had some form knowledge on both of these gods and even encountered a world affected by XT, but we will never know what he knew about them.
Guthix
also had an encounter with XT in some form on Renmark, again we wont ever know what he knew about it.

Seren's
Tier 2 along with
Zaros
(who I believe would only help if it aligned with his goal)
Saradomin's
Tier 3
Armadyl
and
Zamorak
are Tier 4
We don't know the whereabouts of
Tumeken
and he is only Tier 5
The Godless
are pitiful and not even relevant.

We have no god to replace
Bandos
still so the faction is as dead as he is.

Sliske should have been whipped out by any of these but only Zamorak got a shot on him.

I think we are hilariously outgunned unless the Karamjan gods come about or we get another outside powerful god that's not intended to be our villain who may have knowledge on or a past with one of these. I think the 5 "main gods" currently active aren't enough. Look at what it took to beat
Tuska
. Supporter of
Saradomin
Armadyl
Tumeken
V

29-Jan-2018 10:26:42 - Last edited on 29-Jan-2018 10:27:49 by Rensler

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Rensler said :
The Godless
are pitiful and not even relevant.

...

Look at what it took to beat
Tuska
.

Claims Godless aren't relevant, yet cites the Tuska world event where they did the plurality of the damage to the goddess.

And Tuska took so much trouble because of her anima shield from the planes she consumed. When that factor was taken away by the efforts of mere mortal Gielinorians, it took Vorago mere moments to slay her (we are to believe that it would have taken any victorious god a similar amount of time).

Beyond that, I strongly doubt Xau is a t2 god (if it is a god at all, as opposed to a particularly powerful interplanar entity/collective).

I also strongly doubt the Queen of Ashes personal level of power is all that great. According to the tiers of godhood, even a T4 god can open large portals between worlds. We know from lore that a T6 god is capable of opening a portal between planes able to transport a substantial number of Mahjarrat and themselves.

Queeny, on the other hand, couldn't even be bothered to personally open a portal to Gielinor for her herald to use. Instead, she had her followers (specifically her pyradins) use the fire energy from the Celebration of Fire's bonfire to transport the Fallen Nihil. For all indication, the Queen of Ashes' power lies in the quantity, quality, and passion of her followers.

Rensler said :
Sliske should have been whipped out by any of these but only Zamorak got a shot on him.

And that SoJ empowered blast had little effect on Sliske. Please do remember that Sliske had the backing of Jas (and all the god power reducing magic that entails). Also keep in mind that Mahjarrat as a whole have proven to be pains in the neck for any god to whom they do not pledge loyalty (and to at least two that they did). It's not as simple as just god blasts, Sliske dies (rocks fall, everyone dies).

29-Jan-2018 11:14:42

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