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Maiden China

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Ancient Drew said :
Is it possible that Jhallan had forgot what the muspah looked like, except for the basic shape?
AesirWarrior said :
- Also, Jhallan's dialogue heavily implies he's never seen one personally:

Yes, I was also taken by surprise by that, if you recall. During my slumber, I must have dreamt of the Muspah: a horrific creature from my people's imagination . It is a mythical being from our folk tales .
so... he'd have to have completely forgotten that 'oh yeah, I actually saw one of those once' too :P
or he just has really weird conversation priorities... this is where I'd insert an 'oh, and also he was dead' but you wouldnt get that
(someone told a story that prompted people to ask how a certain person was doing and the person telling the story left out the part where the person died of this event... assuming, probably, that you'd naturally assume that but it wasnt really made clear enough)
or, in rs terms again, the bit where ocellus neglects to mention where the Order of Ascension came from
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16-Aug-2016 00:22:47

Hazeel

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I really can't imagine Azzanadra being one of the originals. Not only would it be weird for him to throw away his own culture, but their culture surely would have been very different if he was one of the founding members of it.

He keeps preaching peace, albeit rather hypocritically, but nevertheless it would be incredibly weird for him to have helped set up an openly violent and disloyal culture when he holds loyalty and peace at such high regard.

Not to mention he refers to hearing of these stories of Muspah...if he were so old, wouldn't he have been the one telling these fairy tales, rather than listening to them?
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16-Aug-2016 00:47:18

Cthris
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Keep in mind guys that discrepancies and lack of memories of certain things doesn't mean very much when you're dealing with Dream of Mah. Their memories literally leak out of their skulls... as well as the ability to erase their own memories, and others.

16-Aug-2016 03:01:24 - Last edited on 16-Aug-2016 03:04:07 by Cthris

Sepulchre
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Well we know Khazard (or Moia, technically) is the youngest of the Mahjarrat we know, but they've never really made "age" for a Mahjarrat clear aside from that.
If you listen to their voices (I know, not "lore" per se, but it's technically an official in-game source) Hazeel, Zemouregal, Zamorak, and Azzanadra sound the oldest to me. Wahisietel, Akthanakos, and Enakhra sound to be mature, but not quite as old as the others. Sliske and Khazard sound the youngest to me, they seem to have the most youthful exuberance behind their voices, from my perspective.
Granted this could all be just from the choice of voice actor/actress playing them, or the kind of voice given to the character by that person, but that's the only thing I can think of to determine a living beings age.

As for the Muspah thing, it seems quite obvious that none of the Mahjarrat we've met have ever encountered a Muspah in their lifetime. Now, pertaining to fear of Muspah...

"The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown." - H.P. Lovecraft

Now I know we're not talking about humans, we're talking about Mahjarrat. I'm going to commit a lore sin here and remind you that the creators of these characters ARE human. I assume the Mahjarrat act as humans, because at the end of the day, they are the brainchild of humans. Anyway.. Muspah were spoke of in legend, only in what I can imagine are horror stories for Mahjarrat. Muspah are like the boogeyman for them, except they come from a planet that many would call a waking nightmare.
I'm not saying that all Mahjarrat have an irrational fear of the Muspah, I'm saying that for them it might not be all that irrational.
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16-Aug-2016 04:55:40

Maiden China

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Hazeel said :
I really can't imagine Azzanadra being one of the originals. Not only would it be weird for him to throw away his own culture, but their culture surely would have been very different if he was one of the founding members of it.

He keeps preaching peace, albeit rather hypocritically, but nevertheless it would be incredibly weird for him to have helped set up an openly violent and disloyal culture when he holds loyalty and peace at such high regard.

Not to mention he refers to hearing of these stories of Muspah...if he were so old, wouldn't he have been the one telling these fairy tales, rather than listening to them?
I know your arguments, I've read them, they'd be convincing if I were an unbiased party :P Cthris said :
Keep in mind guys that discrepancies and lack of memories of certain things doesn't mean very much when you're dealing with Dream of Mah. Their memories literally leak out of their skulls... as well as the ability to erase their own memories, and others.
didnt think of that
personally if I were forgetful I'd start keeping a journal (I do, actually, and when I reread pages, I realize how few of my memories I can actually hold onto) *gives enakhra a journal she wrote about being madly in love with akthanakos* 'oh... that's why I kept him locked in a temple for so long... I just thought it was feud stuff cuz of how typically mahjarrat that'd be'

you do find some journals apparently written by mahjarrat, but I wouldnt really know if that's canon or not. The stuff in them is, sure, but the idea that they wrote actual journals might not be

zemouregal's notes seems suspicious now too *imagines zemouregal forgetting both that's he zemouregal and that he's amazing*
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16-Aug-2016 04:55:47 - Last edited on 16-Aug-2016 04:59:20 by Maiden China

Velia
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I really doubt that Azzanadra is an 'original' creation. It sounds like poor story-telling to me - a cheap way of making the already distinctive Azzy appear more 'distinctive' or 'special' among the Mahjarrat - especially with some of Azzy's current dialogue.

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The rest is a little off-topic, but kind-of relevant: The only thing 'saying' that "Azzanadra is an original creation" is an off-hand quote made by a single mod in a private q&a. It's very refutable.

That said, it's a lesson I've from the (four?) years of watching lore Q&A's, podcasts, forum campfires, etc: take what the Mods say with a grain of salt - it's not that they don't know what they're doing, it's just that they're put on the spot and pounced on by questions that they may not have expected They are humans after all, not walking lore encyclopedias.

Basically you're getting their quick, made-up-on-the-spot, 'two-cents' on the question. The more obscure the question - like 'Azzanadra's age' - the more likely you'll get something vague or 'lorefail-y'.

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Sepulchre said :
If you listen to their voices [...] Sliske and Khazard sound the youngest to me, they seem to have the most youthful exuberance behind their voices, from my perspective.
Granted this could all be just from the choice of voice actor/actress playing them, or the kind of voice given to the character by that person, but that's the only thing I can think of to determine a living beings age.
I dunno... I can't get over the 'old man' sound to Sliske's voice.

18-Aug-2016 05:12:47 - Last edited on 18-Aug-2016 05:16:19 by Velia

ZAmorakZaros
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Velia said :
I really doubt that Azzanadra is an 'original' creation. It sounds like poor story-telling to me - a cheap way of making the already distinctive Azzy appear more 'distinctive' or 'special' among the Mahjarrat - especially with some of Azzy's current dialogue.

Since he is the most powerful living mahjarrat he could also be the oldest of them. Not necessarily an original one but certainly one of the oldest of them
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18-Aug-2016 13:01:52

Maiden China

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ZAmorakZaros said :
Velia said :
I really doubt that Azzanadra is an 'original' creation. It sounds like poor story-telling to me - a cheap way of making the already distinctive Azzy appear more 'distinctive' or 'special' among the Mahjarrat - especially with some of Azzy's current dialogue.

Since he is the most powerful living mahjarrat he could also be the oldest of them. Not necessarily an original one but certainly one of the oldest of them
That I feel would at least be a near-certainty
hazeel just reminded me that this cycle didnt start when gielinor did (which I knew, but didnt really think about) which would make the original mahjarrat way too old to feel like life is worth anything anymore
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18-Aug-2016 23:51:42

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Where and how do people think the quest will start. With Seren, or maybe Zaros or Zamorak. Or maybe a mahjarrat. Or someone/something else

My bet is on Seren
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22-Aug-2016 21:43:05 - Last edited on 22-Aug-2016 21:52:35 by Lynxlynx

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