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William Witt
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Half Centaur said :
Wahisietel said :
The very little postquest dialogue the quest has with the menaphite citizens says that Osman is pretty much the same as the old Pharaoh. He played us for a fool.


That's not postquest dialogue now, is it?

You'd think mentioning the coup would be a pretty big deal, but as far as I've seen, none of them bring it up, and they just keep complaining about "The Pharaoh".


Wahisietel's referring to the nameless "Menaphite citizen" npcs in the four districts. If you talk to them a handful of times, you'll find they have 3 new lines added to their usual one-line bits of dialogue.
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15-Jun-2017 10:23:53

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Penny Drakis said :


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I find it upsetting that our player character is so willing to dispose the leader of an entire country. I don't know about your personal headcanons, but I find it so messed up that my character (which really has no loyalties towards any of the factions in the desert) just randomly goes in and eliminates the leader of one of those factions.

IDK, the whole thing reeks of colonialism and it just rubs me the wrong way.


The adventurer is a kingslayer. Remember King Tyras? Remember Lord Drakan? Remember Veldaban (optionally)? How about the Ice Troll King?

I don't find the Ardougne questline to be that objectionable because you were hired by a king to take down his rogue brother that was excommunicated/exiled into wild lands. At the time, I'm sure the World Guardian thought he was doing the right thing with the limited information he had.

Concerning Lord Draken, you were once again hired by a King to secure the borders to his country. You then meet up with the Myreque and discover that eliminating Lord Draken (which is commiting countless atrocities against humans) is one of the best ways to do so. Unless in your headcanon your character supports vampires for some reason, I can imagine freeing Morytanian humans from the yoke of vampiric oppression is well within King Roald's request of securing Varrock's borders.

Veldaban is optional, but IIRC, he urges you to kill him because he was afraid of being corrupted by Chaos Magic.

Can't remember the Ice Troll.

I hadn't gotten that far in the Menaphos questline, but right now, the Emir gave you explicit orders to not rouse shit up with Menaphites. Instead, you find a way to incite rebellion and help Osman with a coup against the Emir's orders. It's as if you're hired by the US to establish peace talks with North Koreans and you decide to go against your country's orders and shoot the leader instead.
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17-Jun-2017 05:21:40

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Senliten seems willing to reveal herself. Maybe she can reclaim the throne herself. She said in Our Man in the North that she was not ready to reveal herself to everyone, but in time ;)

In addition, you all have to understand the definition of a Pharaoh. A Pharaoh is chosen by Tumeken himself, and the rest of their bloodline is destined to rule. The big green Pharaoh was never a true Pharaoh. His ancestors usurped and assassinated Senliten's son, Osmumten, and then his ancestors made it look like they were part of Senliten's bloodline. It does not matter if the Big Green Pharaoh was a good guy in the end or not. He has no right to rule, and by not surrendering the title the moment he discovered his ancestors were not the true Chosen of Tumeken, he has committed treason and heresy in the name of Tumeken. It's by way of tradition, culture, and desert religion. He may have been a good guy, wanting to correct whatever his mother's mistakes were, but he should have corrected his whole family line's mistake by stepping down over his mom's. Let Menaphos go into democracy or something.

Osman is a crappy Pharaoh, according to the PQD and Senliten, yes, but he is the true Pharaoh, and we have to respect him as if he was the president. We already have to put up with King Tyras, Roald, Veldaban, and other kings in the game.
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17-Jun-2017 05:30:15 - Last edited on 17-Jun-2017 05:41:16 by Swolllliosis

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@ BarryManilow: Tyras wasn't exiled or exommunicated; he was even then the recognized king of West Ardougne, who had merely gone on a voyage of discovery to the west. Lathas assured you, however, that this ruling sovereign had been "corrupted by the Dark Lord", that this gave the "Dark Lord an ally on the inside" and that so you had to kill Tyras.
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17-Jun-2017 06:19:48

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Swolllliosis said :
He has no right to rule
The position of Pharaoh is the same as that of any other monarch and the divine right of kings is just as much a fantasy in Gielinor as it is in real life -- until there's some convincing evidence for why only the Chosen of Tumeken can properly rule (which already seems to have been contradicted by Osman's example anyway).
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17-Jun-2017 07:25:28 - Last edited on 17-Jun-2017 07:28:03 by Raleirosen

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Penny Drakis said :
Zulkir said :
Osman is certainly better than the disgusting fat mess the previous Pharaoh was.


Yall are acting like Osman isn't being influenced by Amascut, too.


Osman might be angry and act pretty aggressively, but his heart is in the right place as far as securing peace is concerned, I doubt he's being corrupted by Amascut because dialogue right at the end of 'Phite club from her own mouth states she no longer cares about mortal affairs.

So no, Osman isn't corrupted. Amascut has what she wants, she has no need to corrupt yet another Pharaoh when all she wants to focus on now is the four aspects and getting rid of daddy dearest.

Osman is not a perfect Pharaoh, Infact I should replace him His daughter could very well replace him, still. Doesn't mean he's all bad. Wanting to broker peace despite everything that was revealed about his underhandedness is still a big step up.
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17-Jun-2017 11:46:38

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Zulkir said :
Osman is not a perfect Pharaoh, Infact I should replace him His daughter could very well replace him, still. Doesn't mean he's all bad. Wanting to broker peace despite everything that was revealed about his underhandedness is still a big step up.


If good intentions was all it took for a good leader, we wouldn't have any issues with Saradomin, now would we? =P
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17-Jun-2017 16:20:52

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Hazeel said :
Zulkir said :
Osman is not a perfect Pharaoh, Infact I should replace him His daughter could very well replace him, still. Doesn't mean he's all bad. Wanting to broker peace despite everything that was revealed about his underhandedness is still a big step up.


If good intentions was all it took for a good leader, we wouldn't have any issues with Saradomin, now would we? =P


Bad intentions followed by bad actions will always be worse than Good intentions followed by bad actions ;)

The Pharaoh before him was the former, and Osman is very much the latter. Neither perfect, but one is better than the other. :P
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18-Jun-2017 00:14:49 - Last edited on 18-Jun-2017 00:16:01 by Zulkir

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Zulkir said :
Bad intentions followed by bad actions will always be worse than Good intentions followed by bad actions ;)

The Pharaoh before him was the former, and Osman is very much the latter. Neither perfect, but one is better than the other. :P
Only in a moral/ethical sense. Practically, they're the exact same. Also, how is the Pharaoh the former when it's been established that the source of his actions was Amascut's corruption and not his own intentions?
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18-Jun-2017 00:32:35

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Zulkir said :
Bad intentions followed by bad actions will always be worse than Good intentions followed by bad actions ;)


Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.
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18-Jun-2017 02:01:22

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