RuneScape Forum Archive | Why are we helping Osman?

Hguoh

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Canonically, we appear to do so because Hassan put in a good word for the plan, and he's someone our character actually somewhat likes.

As for Hazeel's various solutions:

1. Leela willingly acknowledges in Our Man in the North that Osman, as her father, has the right to the throne over her. Aside from her likely not being too keen if we actually managed to kill her dad, I'm not that certain we could actually kill Osman. We certainly have the power to, but he's not all that easy to catch in the first place.

2. Our character already can own a kingdom, and leaves it largely under the control of others. Suffice to say, the player character doesn't appear to be that interested in being tied down by rulership.

3. Who? You'd need somebody that the populace can recognize as having a certain degree of a 'right' to the throne (whether by blood or by effort) or they'd be rejected. Like it or not, there's not a particularly good replacement for Osman at the ready. Plus, we know that Ehsan had a personal deal with Osman for after he took the throne.

4. How? We get in the palace in the first place because we managed to unite the four faction leaders in support of Osman. Even assuming we could get in and take out the pharaoh without jumping through those hoops, it is entirely within Osman's characterization to negotiate with the faction leaders behind our backs and then act exactly as he did once we'd beaten the pharaoh.

Raleirosen said :
Except once the corruption is dispelled isn't it revealed that the Pharaoh was actually a tremendously good guy? If left in power he probably would've reversed all the Amascut-inspired policies anyway, including the war with Al Kharid.

It would seem more logical to me/my character to let the Pharaoh take responsibility, rather than reward a traitor.

Let's see, the options on the table were: execution, exile, enslavement, and imprisonment. Nobody else in that room was gonna let him rule again.

13-Jun-2017 03:36:05 - Last edited on 13-Jun-2017 03:37:47 by Hguoh

Raleirosen

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Hguoh said :
Let's see, the options on the table were: execution, exile, enslavement, and imprisonment. Nobody else in that room was gonna let him rule again. Then why not execute everyone in that room instead? As far as I know all of them are characterized as being contemptible. Obviously there are constraints to what the player can be allowed to do, but from what I hear it seems like a bizarre conclusion. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

13-Jun-2017 06:14:59 - Last edited on 13-Jun-2017 18:07:31 by Raleirosen

Hazeel

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Yeah, that whole thing is confusing. Ozan tells us that two of the faction leaders are evil, and the other two are incompetent tools used for evil, while Senliten tells us that Osman is currently unworthy of possessing the throne and would be just as bad in his current state. Osman has shown no signs of change, has shown several signs of rejecting Senliten's advice, won't try to better himself at all and the former Pharaoh is almost completely innocent by comparison.

As for "rights", the former Pharaoh came from a line of people whose "right" simply came from the fact that assassinated the current Pharaoh and nobody challenged it for hundreds of years. This whole quest seems weird...we're pretty much teaming up with the most corrupt government officials and taking over through bribery, lying, assassination and....basically everything Senliten said made for bad leadership and why Menaphos was in its current state. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

13-Jun-2017 08:02:58 - Last edited on 13-Jun-2017 08:03:37 by Hazeel

Ashlin107

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This is kinda like the Far Cry 4 situation where we try to overthrow the government even though the alternative rulers are arguably worse than the one already in charge.

But that being said if Osman goes mad with power I'm sure we or Ozan will put an end to his madness with wither a few shots of logic or arrows. The statement below is false.
The statement above is true.

13-Jun-2017 10:53:21

Hguoh

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Raleirosen said :
Hguoh said :
Let's see, the options on the table were: execution, exile, enslavement, and imprisonment. Nobody else in that room was gonna let him rule again. Then why not execute everyone in that room instead? As far as I know all of them are characterized as being contemptible. Obviously there are constraints to what the player can be allowed to do, but from what I hear it seems like a bizarre conclusion.

Contemptible, yes, but they have the support of most of the city behind them.

Ehsan serves the aristocrats, arranging the shipments of delicacies for them (ex: live rum-pumped crabs) and apparently has enough influence with her rumor mill to make people disappear.

Wadud controls Menaphos's criminals and has the loyalty of the sailors.

Akhomet's greatest crime was being a 'weak-willed' servant of the pharaoh and ordering her soldiers around.

And what of Batal? He fought to improve the workers' situation and had his hands taken for it, breaking his spirit.

The first two are downright villainous and the last two are cowards, but they all have groups that wouldn't be happy with you if you took them out. And considering the apparent dislike for the old pharaoh, I'd be surprised if he could hold onto his position without them.

13-Jun-2017 18:54:47

Hguoh

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Hazeel said :
while Senliten tells us that Osman is currently unworthy of possessing the throne and would be just as bad in his current state. Osman has shown no signs of change, has shown several signs of rejecting Senliten's advice, won't try to better himself at all and the former Pharaoh is almost completely innocent by comparison.

Osman opens by telling us that Senliten provided him the information to confirm his bloodline since his exile. Now, I doubt that is the full truth, considering Senliten stated quite plainly that she wouldn't provide the information until he learned how he should be leading, but the player character is notoriously gullible.

Hazeel said :
As for "rights", the former Pharaoh came from a line of people whose "right" simply came from the fact that assassinated the current Pharaoh and nobody challenged it for hundreds of years. This whole quest seems weird...we're pretty much teaming up with the most corrupt government officials and taking over through bribery, lying, assassination and....basically everything Senliten said made for bad leadership and why Menaphos was in its current state.

Yes, right by might. According to Senliten, the assassin held a high rank in the royal guard, giving their coup some degree of military backing. Given the apparent termination of the royal bloodline at the time, there would have been few or no other contender's to the throne that could match the might behind the usurper.

Again, we appear to follow this course of action because Hassan throws his support behind it (and we actually kind of like him) and we are gullible enough to believe Osman when he says Senliten gave him the information (and so had hanged for the better).

13-Jun-2017 19:06:21 - Last edited on 13-Jun-2017 19:10:11 by Hguoh

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Wahisietel

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The very little postquest dialogue the quest has with the menaphite citizens says that Osman is pretty much the same as the old Pharaoh. He played us for a fool.

Granted, we probably won't get the full idea of his rule if/until Emir Ali and Senliten get postquest dialogue. You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

13-Jun-2017 23:20:12

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William Witt

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Hey guys, remember the last time on RuneScape a rightful king resorted to morally questionable methods to take back the throne that had been usurped from his ancestor?

I agree 100% with Raleirosen, btw.

The Asgarnian ale must flow.

14-Jun-2017 01:19:51 - Last edited on 14-Jun-2017 01:20:21 by William Witt

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Half Centaur

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Wahisietel said :
The very little postquest dialogue the quest has with the menaphite citizens says that Osman is pretty much the same as the old Pharaoh. He played us for a fool.

That's not postquest dialogue now, is it?

You'd think mentioning the coup would be a pretty big deal, but as far as I've seen, none of them bring it up, and they just keep complaining about "The Pharaoh". "We call it being a hero"

"That's interesting, we call it utter stupidity"

15-Jun-2017 05:50:26

Hazeel

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Half Centaur said :
Wahisietel said :
The very little postquest dialogue the quest has with the menaphite citizens says that Osman is pretty much the same as the old Pharaoh. He played us for a fool.

That's not postquest dialogue now, is it?

You'd think mentioning the coup would be a pretty big deal, but as far as I've seen, none of them bring it up, and they just keep complaining about "The Pharaoh".

...The one right next to them? Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

15-Jun-2017 06:06:38

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