RuneScape Forum Archive | Tumeken and His 4 Facets

Apr

2013

ZAmorakZaros

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The first option is a thing i wondered in my ancient thread, divine math. How powerful was Tumeken before creating SIX lesser gods? 2 t6s and 4 t7s. Amascut, Itchlarin, Apmeken, Het, Crondis and Scarabas. Assuming Tumeken and Elidinis both used the same amount of energy when creating Icthy and Ammy, we can remove one of them from the list. Still. How much is t5+t6+t7x4? Was he possibly a t4 once? NO
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23-Mar-2017 08:38:43

Oct

2005

Wahisietel

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Summerleaf said :
In Sliske's book in Book of the God's it details the Khardian God's leading the Stern Judges. Idk if it includes the aspects, but I always assumed that it did. Also, I believe Senliten said something about them existing beforehand.

Edit: Nvmd lol. Wahi beat me there.

Wahisietel said :

Amascut's madness was probably a combination of neglect from Tumeken, encountering Mah, Tumeken's "death", and Elidinis's departure at the end of the Third Age.

Ka from Halloween 2015 admits that coming back from Freneskae changed her, and that Tumeken's suicide is what set her off.

Halloween 2015 should be disregarded IMO, since it contradicts a ton of other stuff. Amascut seems to have functioned to some degree in the Third Age, it was only in the Fourth Age that she began turning on her followers and went after Apmeken.

Anyway, main point is that we DO have explicit confirmation that the facets existed pre-explosion, so there's no point speculating about that. You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

23-Mar-2017 13:04:47

Hguoh

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Um, Wahi, isn't that pretty much what Ka says?

Something changed in Amascut after her trip to Freneskae, but it was Tumeken's sacrifice that drove her over the edge. In other words, she was still doing her job up to that point.

23-Mar-2017 15:05:37

Oct

2005

Wahisietel

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Hguoh said :
Um, Wahi, isn't that pretty much what Ka says?

Something changed in Amascut after her trip to Freneskae, but it was Tumeken's sacrifice that drove her over the edge. In other words, she was still doing her job up to that point.

Tumeken's sacrifice was Second Age.

She was still behaving to some extent until the Fourth Age. You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

23-Mar-2017 16:49:45

Ancient Drew

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Wahisietel said :
Hguoh said :
Um, Wahi, isn't that pretty much what Ka says?

Something changed in Amascut after her trip to Freneskae, but it was Tumeken's sacrifice that drove her over the edge. In other words, she was still doing her job up to that point.

Tumeken's sacrifice was Second Age.

She was still behaving to some extent until the Fourth Age. That might mean that she was pushed completely over when Elidinis was banished, and couldn't be there to comfort her after Guthix set up his Edicts. So much for Guthix being a Gary Stu. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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23-Mar-2017 17:52:46

Hguoh

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Wahisietel said :
She was still behaving to some extent until the Fourth Age.

I'm not so sure about that. Outside of Ka's dialogue, we aren't ever really given a time frame for when Amascut began slaughtering her followers (the first part of her descent into madness), when she began creating devourer beasts in the underworld instead of doing her job, or when she began working to descend the region into war.

Beyond that, we still don't know when Amascut actually dealt with Scabaras (only that she recently posed in his place), Het, or Crondis. And as Do No Evil tells, Amascut didn't deal with Apmeken until more recently because she didn't consider the much weaker Apmeken a threat to her plans until a pharoah that followed Apmeken tried to bring about a peace treaty.

23-Mar-2017 18:21:57 - Last edited on 23-Mar-2017 18:22:44 by Hguoh

Oct

2005

Wahisietel

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Amascut and the 4 Facets have to have been on relatively friendly terms at the end of the Fourth Age - otherwise Guthix would have likely banished her (and probably Icthlarin too by extension, since there'd be nobody to balance him). From Neite we know that for a time she had followers that actually tolerated and agreed with her "destruction", so presumably there was a period of time where she was advocating for destruction but hadn't turned on her followers and the demigods yet.

There's nothing to indicate that Amascut EVER dealt with Scabaras - by his very nature, he keeps to himself and keeps interaction to a minimum. We DO see him interacting indirectly in an attempt to take the Kharid-Ib during Diamond in the Rough (which leads into the events of Dealing with Scabaras), so he doesn't seem to be incapacitated. You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

23-Mar-2017 20:04:12

Jan

2021

AesirWarrior

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Hguoh said :
Wahisietel said :
She was still behaving to some extent until the Fourth Age.

I'm not so sure about that. Outside of Ka's dialogue, we aren't ever really given a time frame for when Amascut began slaughtering her followers (the first part of her descent into madness), when she began creating devourer beasts in the underworld instead of doing her job, or when she began working to descend the region into war.

Okay, we could have an overlong theological debate now, but to get to my point, recently - well, in the last age or so - The Devourer has taken to destroying humans.

- The Sphinx -

I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?

- We call it being a hero.

23-Mar-2017 20:04:40 - Last edited on 23-Mar-2017 20:05:51 by AesirWarrior

Nov

2012

Summerleaf

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Wahisietel said :

There's nothing to indicate that Amascut EVER dealt with Scabaras - by his very nature, he keeps to himself and keeps interaction to a minimum. We DO see him interacting indirectly in an attempt to take the Kharid-Ib during Diamond in the Rough (which leads into the events of Dealing with Scabaras), so he doesn't seem to be incapacitated.

It is implied tho. At the end of the quest she says that she'll have to do something to him. Given that Dealing with Scabaras comes close after, it makes sense that she is the one who corrupted his followers.

Edit: I misread that. Ignore what I said before.

Wahi is right, there is no proof that Scabaras is incapacitated, but given that his followers went basically rampant, and he did nothing, something had to have happened to him.

23-Mar-2017 21:29:41 - Last edited on 23-Mar-2017 21:30:57 by Summerleaf

Hguoh

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AesirWarrior said :
Hguoh said :
Wahisietel said :
She was still behaving to some extent until the Fourth Age.

I'm not so sure about that. Outside of Ka's dialogue, we aren't ever really given a time frame for when Amascut began slaughtering her followers (the first part of her descent into madness), when she began creating devourer beasts in the underworld instead of doing her job, or when she began working to descend the region into war.

Okay, we could have an overlong theological debate now, but to get to my point, recently - well, in the last age or so - The Devourer has taken to destroying humans.

- The Sphinx

1. That's not exactly the most specific time frame (lending a time period from year 168 of the 5th age all the way back to the 2nd age (it'd only been 3 ages after all).

2. The Sphinx also has this dialogue:

Sphinx: I am an agent of neither good nor evil. I am unconcerned with the plight of mankind and their petty wars and beliefs.

and

Sphinx: It's lucky that he (Tumeken) prefers to spend his time with Elidinis rather than smiting you. (When Tumeken hasn't been active since the 2nd age, and Elidinis has presumably been gone since the 3rd).

Current events aren't her speciality.

23-Mar-2017 22:45:22

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