RuneScape Forum Archive | For Bandos to be brought back?

Mar

2020

Rensler

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Tell me who would you consider to be Gods that "had to go"?

Bandos had his flaws and his merits, but was he a villain? He could have proven useful and Mod Jack even stated in the Lore Q&A

Bandos

went from being the warmongering god to the honorable god of combat and in Mighty Fall he was ret-conned back to how he was portrayed in the Goblin series as a way to be done with his story. There was much more that could have been done there.

He showed capability of working with Saradomin and Armadyl to take out Zamorak so he wasnt beyond reason. I will say that on paper when compared to the other gods I can see why people would see him as the villain perhaps alongside Zamorak but

Bandos

motives and desires were always clear as opposed to other gods who keep so many secrets.

What you see is what you got with

Bandos

and I can at least respect that. I do wonder though how the story would have unfolded had he not died in WE2 and what impact would he have had later on. Supporter of

Saradomin

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24-Dec-2017 22:16:02

Ancient Drew

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He just wanted to keep the war going, and the way he saw it in the God Wars was that it had ran its course once Zamorak was on his knees with the Stone. He was probably thinking of carrying on once Zamorak was finished and turn on Saradomin and Armadyl. He'd make a meal out of any fight if the enemy wasn't on his knees in his opinion. Yeah, he did have his sense of honour and rewarded the strong while punishing the weak, but he would have squeezed as much combat as he could, as seen with Yu'biusk. He was probably getting excited when Zamorak decided to blow up Forinthry, and obviously was pissed when Guthix came and stole his fun.

Bandos:

Hah! The mighty Zamorak, begging on his knees. Pathetic.

And then there are the other lines which shows a newfound respect for Zamorak's philosophy while at the same time wishing to deal the final blow to a defeated enemy, and likely hoping to continue the fight with Saradomin and Armadyl later. And the first of these lines, directed at Saradomin, shows his view of the Stone in light of the situation.

Bandos :

"Haha! Yours? Looks like fair game to me, old man."

"In another time we might have seen eye-to-eye, Zamorak. I might have even let you fight for me."

"They are just words. Empty promises and idle chatter. You are a blight that must be eradicated."

Another thing I noticed is that he had previously ignored Gielinor and the other gods, until he heard about the battle going on there. And in Bird and the Beast he mentioned that his race were proud warriors who valued fighting to the death. So if anything, Bandos should have his legacy continue rather than return. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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24-Dec-2017 23:03:34

Uncle Pob

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Nolhiir said :
Honestly, I miss Bandos mostly because I loved his character design. Even if we get similar gods, they just won't be the same.
They could do something similar to the Memory from PoP, having a construct of Bandos's memories that embraces Bandos and becomes a sort of Bandos 2.0, different but similar. But that still has a good chance of feeling like a cop-out.

Bandos is what happens when a goblin ascends to godhood. Goblins aren't known for their variety: one goblin is more or less the same as any other. I'd be more surprised if a second goblin to attain wasn't more or less a clone of Bandos. And since Goblins looked up to Bandos as their god, a second Goblin God might indeed choose to honor Bandos by naming himself Bandos.

It could easily be the case that the Bandos we knew wasn't the original Bandos either.

I suppose a troll who decided to eat a chunk of Bandos corpse might also take the name Bandos, because that's what they do. There seems to be a lot of potential there: NPC's in the game are terrified because of the rumors Bandos has returned... except it's a troll who munched on some rocks near the goblin village

31-Dec-2017 22:54:28

Hguoh

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Uncle Pob said :
Nolhiir said :
Honestly, I miss Bandos mostly because I loved his character design. Even if we get similar gods, they just won't be the same.
They could do something similar to the Memory from PoP, having a construct of Bandos's memories that embraces Bandos and becomes a sort of Bandos 2.0, different but similar. But that still has a good chance of feeling like a cop-out.

Bandos is what happens when a goblin ascends to godhood. Goblins aren't known for their variety: one goblin is more or less the same as any other. I'd be more surprised if a second goblin to attain wasn't more or less a clone of Bandos. And since Goblins looked up to Bandos as their god, a second Goblin God might indeed choose to honor Bandos by naming himself Bandos.

It could easily be the case that the Bandos we knew wasn't the original Bandos either.

I suppose a troll who decided to eat a chunk of Bandos corpse might also take the name Bandos, because that's what they do. There seems to be a lot of potential there: NPC's in the game are terrified because of the rumors Bandos has returned... except it's a troll who munched on some rocks near the goblin village

Bandos wasn't a goblin turned god. Bandos selectively bred the races of Yu'biusk to produce races like Goblins, Trolls, and Ourgs. According to his memories (post TMF), he was a Kal-i-kra: a rhino-like humanoid of a particularly militant tribe that lived on a plane that was protected from impending meteorites by the god Jododu Otoku.

And while a goblin or troll that ascends might act according to what Bandos taught them, Bandos did not act according to his own teachings. So they wouldn't behave like him.

Honestly, the best match to Bandos's personality would probably be Zarador.

31-Dec-2017 23:41:49 - Last edited on 31-Dec-2017 23:43:06 by Hguoh

Mar

2020

Rensler

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Bandos

could have been done and handled better instead of easily just being killed off, becoming a god of combat and strategy instead of brute who kills for sport, I have a whole concept for how WE2 I think should have played out if Bandos lost, humbling him and seeing mercy the first time in his life giving him great character development. Supporter of

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02-Jan-2018 09:34:06

Scumbo

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Their stance on stuff changes all the time. The "Jagex said gods are dead forever and will never come back" argument is stupid. How many times has the lore been retconned? How many things have been ok to do within the rules, then later made bannable? How about the reverse, bannable then made ok to do? Remember when Jagex said they wouldnt sell gold? (Im not complaining, Im only subbed because you can buy bonds with gold). My point is, Jagex has a history of changing their mind on everything. There are so many differences in vision between the original Gower bros and every single person that has worked at Jagex since them. The official stance on everything changes throughout the years, why cant it change for the death of gods?

04-Jan-2018 05:38:50

Hguoh

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Scumbo said :
The official stance on everything changes throughout the years, why cant it change for the death of gods?

Could it change? Sure.

Should it change? No.

1. It makes the death of a god incredibly cheap, laking any emotional impact since it cna always be undone.

2. If it can be done to one god, then it can be done to any god. And if it can be done to any god, it can be done to Guthix. And if Guthix comes back, the Edicts can be put up at any time to utterly nullify the entire point of the 6th age.

3. We already have exceptions to the perma-death of a god. Zaros ditched his body to dodge death (any t2 god can do this). It took him millennia to recover, but he was able to come back. Guthix properly died, but certain memories of his have manifested as independent beings entirely aware that they used to be a part of Guthix's mind (no known limit on what gods can do this). Seren shattered her mind and body into billions of pieces, but we were able to bring her back together again with only a few issues depending on what you left out.

4. We know that there are other gods in the planes that have their own philosophies to explore, some of which will likely be similar to gods we know (alive and dead) to drive new stories.

5. If we want to see what would have happened if a god lived, there's always alternate universes (ex: DoD) that can be explored to see the god alive again, or the enchanted key's ability to travel to a point in the past when the god was alive (used for Guthix).

There's just no need to retcon this decision.

04-Jan-2018 06:17:27 - Last edited on 04-Jan-2018 06:18:17 by Hguoh

Hguoh

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Rensler said :

Bandos

could have been done and handled better instead of easily just being killed off, becoming a god of combat and strategy instead of brute who kills for sport.

He was a god of combat and strategy.

He bred his own biological war machines.

He perpetuated a plane-wide war by selectively swapping sides at key moments.

He crusaded across his home plane against many other tribes and claimed the ultimate prize for this.

He found a way to circumvent Guthix's Edicts multiple times (Hopespear at the battle on the plain of mud (which he perpetuated down a line of goblin priests), tricking Juna into using the tears to revive Zanik in combination with his own power, manipulating Zanik into taking his amulet back to Gielinor so he could possess her as an Avatar.

He just had a vile love for nigh endless combat and absolute obedience from those beneath him (even if he deliberately sent them to their deaths or had them fight until their plane was uninhabitable). And we knew almost all of this prior to Bandos showing up in the 6th age.

In conclusion, the traits you list aren't mutually exclusive, and Bandos displayed both in great measure. I don't think there was much room for him to be anything other than a villain given what all we knew about him. Unless, of course, they pulled a second Zamorak and claimed that all the bad stuff was propaganda and misinterpretation. Unlike Zammy, however, we knew Bandos actually kept in contact with his followers, leaving little room for either misinterpretation of his doctrine or propaganda (other than that of his own creation) amongst his followers.

What you seem to want just isn't who Bandos was. The only thing about him that they really tossed under the bus with TMF was his purported honesty, and that's not enough to convince me that he could've been more than what he was.

04-Jan-2018 06:44:43

Dec

2019

Bandosian

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If it was made that he somehow escaped death, then all arguments involving a god's death should not apply.

It would be frowned upon that everyone in the community thought he was dead, but it leaves a large room for improvement and attempt to fix what has been completely wasted and trashed.

"I see a world where there is no need to flatter and deceive: where power is there to be taken by those with the strength to do so." - Bandos

06-Feb-2018 02:32:27

Hguoh

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Bandosian said :

If it was made that he somehow escaped death, then all arguments involving a god's death should not apply.

It would be frowned upon that everyone in the community thought he was dead, but it leaves a large room for improvement and attempt to fix what has been completely wasted and trashed.

That'd be a pretty difficult sell. His stoney remains, characteristic of a god dying, can be visited, seen, and touched. Wisps of his energy containing his memories can be gathered, which has only ever happened when a god dies. The portal to Yu'biusk runs off his residual energy just as the portal to Mazcab runs off the dead Tuska's residual energy.

He not only has to have escaped death, but also needs to have faked his death in such a way so as to give every appearance of him having died.

06-Feb-2018 03:39:57

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