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Hguoh

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Uncle Harper said :
We can't rule out that this world is Jermyn. The plague could be what caused the Mwanu to devolve. Gara-Dul could be the great beast of tusk and fury that the Mwanu saw as their enemy. it is also interesting that this religion has 3 figures that gain power from a central figure like the Xau-tak mythos does. However I do not believe they are the same mythos. One may just be a bastardized concept of the first.

1. The only thing plague-like that we know of that involves the Mwanu is the 'disease' that affected their Bloodfeasters, and that was explained as the monkeys poisoning themselves prior to capture.

2. The Mwanu didn't appear to lose their identity as Mwanu and become the horrors until after they arrived on Gielinor. This precludes the idea that any disease on Jermyn caused their change (while Xau-Tak's influence on them explains the change already).

3. Gara-Dul was described as destroying mountains and villages and throwing boulders. The 'great beast of tusk and fury' was described as turning the jungle against the Mwanu while it and its forces sought to remove all traces of the Mwanu from the world. Completely different power sets. The idea of them being one and the same also ignores that the beast the Mwanu describe supposedly wielded a horn to turn the jungle against them (making this beast fit far better with the god in Marimbo's origin story), while Gara-Dul is never described to even utilize a tool.

4. There is no indication that the Horror's Xau-Tak mythos existed prior to them being taken by Xau to Gielinor, while the mythos around Gara-Dul entirely takes place on Hangazha (so if Jermyn were Hanganzha, the mythos would have necessarily developed entirely separate from one another).

So sure, I can't 100% rule out the idea of Hanganzha and Jermyn being the same plane, but I can be pretty darn confident (let's say 97%) that they aren't given what we know.

14-May-2018 20:49:45 - Last edited on 14-May-2018 20:52:29 by Hguoh

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2005

Wahisietel

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Of course, the other option is that the world is Abinnah.

It was under Armadyl's orders that the tribes attempted to kill Gara-Dul. The monster. #StopArmadyl You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

14-May-2018 21:52:22 - Last edited on 14-May-2018 21:52:34 by Wahisietel

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2009

Goldmage162

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Hguoh said :
becoming the Karamjan pantheon.

Hangazha seems unlikely to be Jermyn/Bobonosia. While both possess 2 suns, there are several differences to be found. First, Jermyn seems to be populated largely or even exclusively with primate species, while Hangazha appears to possess both humans (or at least species with human-like faces) and wildcats. Second, Jermyn seems to be characterized by an incredibly large jungle, while Hangazha appears to be characterized by islands floating freely in a large ocean. So while they could theoretically be two parts of a single plane, we have no reason to jump to that conclusion given the current information.

Actually, we have more evidence to say this is Jermyn or an unknown plane then we do to say it is anywhere else.

These races seem to all be at relatively primitive standards of technology. Other then, perhaps, powerful magic users or Gods, there is no reason to believe they would be able to map entire planets like we could today. And Planets are typically very varied ecosystems, at least ones with life. I mean, look at Gielinor - on one supercontinent we have deserts, polar areas, mountain ranges, a wasteland, wooded areas, and jungles just off the cost.

So it is entirely possible to have 3 races living on the same planet without ever coming into contact with each other, especially if they are in radically different biomes, and even more so if one is harder to travel in - such as a floating archipelago.

However, something like the plants sun(s) would be visible across the entire planet (in most cases). Assuming that binary star system planets are rarer then single star planets in this universe (which, as far as we know with the planets we know of, is the case) then learning that this worlds planet has 2 suns does give more evidence that this place is Jermyn or another plane, as opposed to any of the others we know of.

14-May-2018 22:04:09

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2009

Goldmage162

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Its also entirely possible that the two stories could take place in the same place , or nearby, on the same planet, but at vastly different times.

I am curious to learn how much of that story is fact and how much is just a legend. Are these even real, or is this just the Karamjan peoples story? (granted, the evidence in RS points to most myths being real, or at least mostly real).

And, how much of the particulars is real? Especially the part of them being brought back from death by a gods death. And is Gara-Dul possibly a creature we know about?

We are not given much of a description, though Mod Osborne indicated on twitter that the idols could be representations or images of Gara-Dul.

14-May-2018 22:08:35

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AesirWarrior

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Gamez X said :
Ok theres a little snag with the beast just "handing over its godhood". I once asked the mods about that possibility of a god just giving up its godhood but raven said they cant just do that. So unless they've changed their mind, only an elder artifact being used somewhere in this story would transfer the godhood

It sounds to me that when Raven said they couldn't "give up their godhood" it meant gods couldn't descend back to a mortal state, not that they couldn't give "godhood" to others. We already know gods are able to give power to others, as shown with the desert aspects, Icthlarin, Amascut and (to a lesser extent) Zanik. Godhood has also been transferred without an Elder Artifact in the case of Bandos. And even then, it's worth noting Gara-Dul's power only transferred upon its death. -

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14-May-2018 22:10:44

Hguoh

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Goldmage162 said :
Actually, we have more evidence to say this is Jermyn or an unknown plane then we do to say it is anywhere else.

I disagree for reasons previously listed.

Goldmage162 said :
These races seem to all be at relatively primitive standards of technology. Other then, perhaps, powerful magic users or Gods, there is no reason to believe they would be able to map entire planets like we could today.

So what if each species is primitive. BY NECESSITY, every species must be primitive before they develop. That establishes no connection whatsoever.

Goldmage162 said :
And Planets are typically very varied ecosystems, at least ones with life. I mean, look at Gielinor - on one supercontinent we have deserts, polar areas, mountain ranges, a wasteland, wooded areas, and jungles just off the cost.

Yes, Gielinor has many ecosystems with different species and cultures, but its also the perfect balanced world of the elder god's creation. Compare that to literally every other world we know of. They are, more often than not, one-note mildly varying ecosystems across the entirety of the known plane (Teragard? Cold. Mazcab? Wasteland with some oases. Infernus? Hell.).

Goldmage162 said :
So it is entirely possible to have 3 races living on the same planet without ever coming into contact with each other, especially if they are in radically different biomes, and even more so if one is harder to travel in - such as a floating archipelago.

Never said it wasn't possible (I gave it 3% leeway that this is the case). Considering what we know about each plane, however, there is no reason to think that to be probable at this time.

14-May-2018 22:44:21

Swolllliosis

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Abbinah and this world mentioned in the books might be one in the same... Mod Osbourne recently retweeted this theory on twitter:

" 'In times past, the tribes welcomed death, built idols to the gods who ushered it', first we had a reference to drifting islands, now we have references to tribes which welcome death, where does this leads to? Abbinah. Why, you ask? Abbinah is the homeworld of the aviantese, which Armadyl itself describes as a horrible place, with only floating islands, near no food or water and the aviantese were composed by tribes which constantly fought over themselves to get resources and since food was scarce, when they grew older they sacrificed themselves in order to let the young live as a mean of population control. In other words, tribes of war that embraced death. This leads to an even more shocking fact, either Shaika, Kharazi, and Raharni were once aviantese or they were another type of intelligent species that lives along with the aviantese in that chaotic world."

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14-May-2018 22:51:38

Hguoh

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Goldmage162 said :
[However, something like the plants sun(s) would be visible across the entire planet (in most cases). Assuming that binary star system planets are rarer then single star planets in this universe (which, as far as we know with the planets we know of, is the case) then learning that this worlds planet has 2 suns does give more evidence that this place is Jermyn or another plane, as opposed to any of the others we know of.

You're making the mistake of applying irl probabilities to the game's universe. As already discussed, the game establishes that moonlight can be brighter than the plane's sun, that a moon (Zanaris) can hold an adequate atmosphere for life, and that an area's climate depends mostly on anima (rather than geography, currents (air and water), or latitude).

Goldmage162 said :
Its also entirely possible that the two stories could take place in the same place , or nearby, on the same planet, but at vastly different times.

And I already addressed some of the issues with both cultures drawing on the same events (particularly the difference in apparent power sets between the beast of the Mwanu and Gara-Dul). And if they need be entirely different beasts, the only connection we have left is the two suns, which is a pretty poor reason to think two planes are the same (especially in a fantasy setting where the number of suns is simply the will of the elders that crafted the plane and not a matter of oddities and particulars in star formation).

14-May-2018 22:59:44

Hguoh

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Wahisietel said :
Of course, the other option is that the world is Abinnah.

That was one of my first thoughts too. The only issue I have is the caretakers' ability to send the injured back to their elders by raft after the bridges connecting Gara-Dul's island to the other had been burned when there'd only be sky and storm between the islands if it were on Abbinah (the elder artifact responsible for making clan citadels float could possibly make a raft capable of doing this, but that is hinted to have not been found until Armadyl ascended with it leaving its use in any sort of crafting to be limited).

Similarly, there was the certainty that the warriors wouldn't need the bridge since they wouldn't be coming back, while Aviansie don't exactly need bridges to come back (or even get to the island in the first place) when they can, you know, fly (also of issue are the use of traps to lift and hold tribespeople high above the ground on beings capable of flight).

14-May-2018 23:10:39 - Last edited on 14-May-2018 23:20:06 by Hguoh

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2014

Gamez X

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I think my main issue with the abbinah theory is armadyl's line in endgame. Everything right now indicates these 3 gods have strong connections to the singing feline world he spoke of. That world clearly cant be the same as abbinah otherwise armadyl would of known it well and not talked like he was just a visitor in an unknown land. Also we know that there is the quest rite of passage sometime in the future (if they ever get around to it). They intend for us to go to abbinah in the 6th age and yet armadyl states this world and its sun(s) was on the brink of death in 3rd age, it would be definatly dead by now. Also these 3 gods again sound more like felines rather than aviansie. That description of the one who looks like they just rose from under the ground covered in vines really doesnt sound very bird like

As much as i would like them to flesh out their older worlds a bit more it is jagex's general trend to put the stories of different races and cultures on their own worlds. So atm i'm still more inclined to say this is the world armadyl spoke of which was until this update unnamed. Given the whole runic hierarchy the worlds are built by there are only a few possibilities. Either 1, its the mist planet but armadyl stated that world was all water and had no land at all. Secondly it could be the body world but i'm almost certain that is the giants homeworld mentioned in a recent survey. A giant could explain the human looking face of the idols but small islands doesnt sound very giant like. So atm i'm inclined to say this is the blood rune planet on the ful path. Blood would fit for tribes of hunters who are familiar with death, especially if these hunters are tribes of predatory animals such as wildcats

15-May-2018 00:13:05

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