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Aug

2020

Solmestix

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Iceman3317 said :
So after 5 years, we finally know who the god is who's name is on the map as well as the Karamja Pantheon.

There are 3 members:
Kharazi
Shaika
Raharni

They seem to have gotten their power after they had died from a plague which was caused by Gara-Dul When Gara-Dul died, the three dead females were fully reborn with their skin and everything. I am going to assume this is when they became gods.

The book seems to take place on another planet apart from Gelinor. When they were revived, they vowed to find a new home, which I am going to assume was Karamja. The reason I think this is because it says "Where the Suns were 2", Gelinor only has 1 sun I believe. I don't think there is anywhere that states it has more than 1.

So what do you all think? I may have missed stuff in the book, but I am so glad they finally revealed the Karamja Pantheon and the fact that me and I think a few others were correct with Kharazi being the god's name that was on the map back when the Sixth Age first started.

But there IS a world with two suns.

Jemryn, AKA, the homeworld of the horrors/mwanu people, and apparently apes. Also known as Bobonosia.

Tis also the world where Xau-Tak appeared to the Mwanu and brought them to gielinor.

14-May-2018 18:20:10

Sep

2014

Gamez X

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Yes it is very possible it could be jermyn and theres 2 stories going on with that planet, but its not really like jagex atm to make these worlds so connected (though that would be a good thing to start doing). If its not jermyn then the next logical place (and pretty much the only option left) is the so far unnamed blood rune planet on the ful path. Like i've said before this world is more than likely the world armadyl mentioned which had a race of singing felines (since these gods appear to be felines too). Though back then armadyl only mentioned 1 sun and that it was dying. Maybe this story is from long ago and during the 3rd age one of their suns started expanding (dying) and swallowed up the 2nd?

14-May-2018 18:33:30

Hguoh

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The 3 Karamjan gods come from a plane with 2 suns. Said plane seems to be named Hangazha and consists of loose floating islands in a great sea. Inhabitants would bind these islands together using bridges so that they wouldn't be lost by drifting away.

The inhabitants in the tale seem to have been aware of only one deity, the god-beast Gara-Dul. Their legends describe a time centuries ago during which Gara-Dul raged violently across the plane, destroying mountains and villages with reckless abandon, however that by the time the tale was written nobody alive knew a time that Gara-Dul had left its cave. While Gara-Dul remained in it's cave, 3 of the local inhabitants came to care for it: Shaika, Kharazi, and Raharni.

Even later, a great plague swept through the connected islands, killing the strong, while leaving the weak. The inhabitants of the islands were quick to assign blame for the plague. First, they blamed the vermin of the islands. Then, they would blame the villages that the plague hadn't touched. Finally, they blamed Gara-Dul. And with this new target of blame, the inhabitants gathered up their strongest remaining warriors, sent them to slay Gara-Dul, and burned the bridges binding the god-beast's island to the rest.

These warriors were little match for Gara-Dul's 3 caretakers, however. Together, they incapacitated or killed the warriors that invaded their island. They buried the wounded and sent the injured back to the bound islands on a raft. But the plague had passed from the warriors and into the caretakers. Raharni passed first, followed by Kharazi. Shaika survived long enough to bury them in graves dug by Gara-Dul before she too succumbed and was buried by Gara-Dul.

Centuries passed, Gara-Dul's island drifted, and eventually the inhabitants forgot the god-beast altogether. Eventually, Gara-Dul chose to lay over the graves of its caretakers and die. With its death, the caretakers were granted divinity and found their way to Gielinor

14-May-2018 18:41:15

Hguoh

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becoming the Karamjan pantheon.

To clarify things:

It does not appear that Gara-Dul caused the plague given that the 3 people closest to the beast only contracted the plague after being exposed to the warriors of villages with the plague.

The idols on Karamja indicate that at least 2 of the 3 Karamjan gods have human-like heads, casting doubt on the idea that they are from the Feline race's world that Armadyl describes.

Gara-Dul chose to die (essentially committing suicide), it did not give up/hand over it's godhood.

An elder artifact is not needed when killing a god to transfer the divinity into another (Bandos got his godhood from Jododu Otoku by killing the latter with a regular pike).

Hangazha seems unlikely to be Jermyn/Bobonosia. While both possess 2 suns, there are several differences to be found. First, Jermyn seems to be populated largely or even exclusively with primate species, while Hangazha appears to possess both humans (or at least species with human-like faces) and wildcats. Second, Jermyn seems to be characterized by an incredibly large jungle, while Hangazha appears to be characterized by islands floating freely in a large ocean. So while they could theoretically be two parts of a single plane, we have no reason to jump to that conclusion given the current information.

14-May-2018 19:03:05 - Last edited on 14-May-2018 19:03:41 by Hguoh

Sep

2014

Gamez X

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Ohh it actually names the world? Well that settles if its jermyn or not. As for the human looking face of the idol, isnt there something in the last line of the book saying the 3 new gods carved the idols in the likeness of the beast. So its actually the beast that has the human face?

14-May-2018 19:22:33

Hguoh

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Gamez X said :
Ohh it actually names the world? Well that settles if its jermyn or not. As for the human looking face of the idol, isnt there something in the last line of the book saying the 3 new gods carved the idols in the likeness of the beast. So its actually the beast that has the human face?

According to the book:

It died, and through the cracks of stone, its mana poured.

The mana coursed into the ground, and seeped into the graves. In the spirit world, the mana lit the torches on the way to Hangazha, and the spirits of Shaika, Kharazi, and Raharni could find their way back to their bodies.

Which seems to indicate that their spirits' destination out of the spirit world (back to the plane they died in) was Hangazha.

Also according to the book:

In the setting of the suns, they carved Gara-Dul's likeness. With the idols ranged around them, they embraced, determined to find themselves another home.

In other words, the idols in Gara-Dul's likeness were carved on Hangazha, prior to them finding another home (which seems to have ended up being Karamja on Gielinor).

14-May-2018 19:32:43

Sep

2014

Gamez X

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Hmm see to me that still sounds like the idols are in gara duls image and not the other gods. Either they brought the idols with them or they carved more when they got here as some kind of respect for where they came from. Either way i still think the fact one of them is called raharni (connecting to the raharni wildcats) and another is called shaika (which connects to the lion boss in that old quest) cant be ignored. They do definitely seem connected to felines which is backed up by the book talking about the tribes songs

14-May-2018 19:39:58

Hguoh

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Gamez X said :
Hmm see to me that still sounds like the idols are in gara duls image and not the other gods. Either they brought the idols with them or they carved more when they got here as some kind of respect for where they came from. Either way i still think the fact one of them is called raharni (connecting to the raharni wildcats) and another is called shaika (which connects to the lion boss in that old quest) cant be ignored. They do definitely seem connected to felines which is backed up by the book talking about the tribes songs

Oh I don't deny that they connect to felines, I just don't think that they were feline. Notice this line from the book:

Those that broke through the traps and the jungle were greeted by wildcats, and Raharni at their centre. Roots and plants covered her body, as if she was risen from the ground. She clicked and mewled in the language of the cats, and they pounced.

If she was feline, why would there be a need to speak in their language (and why no mention of the cats singing?). There's also no indication that the singing felines' plane had more than a single star given Armadyl's description of their plane:

Their world was dying though. Its sun growing dark, illuminating them by moonlight alone.

If they had 2 suns, why would they only be illuminated by moonlight (I know that irl moonlight is just a reflection of sunlight, but if that were the case for the felines' plane I'd expect Armadyl to have said, 'one of its suns was growing dark').

14-May-2018 19:54:21

Sep

2014

Gamez X

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Well clearly we dont have enough information atm. That description of vines covering her body, been trying to think of what other species do we know of that has vines and only thing that came to mind is the jadinkos. Possible since they too are exclusive to karamja but i'm not sure if a jadinko god would have a pack of wildcats under them. Hopefully we'll have some more information soon

As for the 2 suns thing, yeah thats an issue. I dont know how "realistic" they're going for but when suns start dying they expand so its quite possible that the dying sun swallowed up the 2nd one, leaving behind a husk of itself with very little light left. So this story could be from like the 1st/2nd age when the gods where coming to gilenor, while the story armadyl told was at the start of the 4th age so its quite feasible one of the suns died during that time gap

I guess one of the bigger questions is why does this "super big and bad beast" look like it has a human face. What would be so scary or threatening about a human?

14-May-2018 20:14:14

Jul

2015

Uncle Harper

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Hguoh said :
becoming the Karamjan pantheon.

To clarify things:

It does not appear that Gara-Dul caused the plague given that the 3 people closest to the beast only contracted the plague after being exposed to the warriors of villages with the plague.

The idols on Karamja indicate that at least 2 of the 3 Karamjan gods have human-like heads, casting doubt on the idea that they are from the Feline race's world that Armadyl describes.

Gara-Dul chose to die (essentially committing suicide), it did not give up/hand over it's godhood.

An elder artifact is not needed when killing a god to transfer the divinity into another (Bandos got his godhood from Jododu Otoku by killing the latter with a regular pike).

Hangazha seems unlikely to be Jermyn/Bobonosia. While both possess 2 suns, there are several differences to be found. First, Jermyn seems to be populated largely or even exclusively with primate species, while Hangazha appears to possess both humans (or at least species with human-like faces) and wildcats. Second, Jermyn seems to be characterized by an incredibly large jungle, while Hangazha appears to be characterized by islands floating freely in a large ocean. So while they could theoretically be two parts of a single plane, we have no reason to jump to that conclusion given the current information.

We can't rule out that this world is Jermyn. The plague could be what caused the Mwanu to devolve. Gara-Dul could be the great beast of tusk and fury that the Mwanu saw as their enemy. it is also interesting that this religion has 3 figures that gain power from a central figure like the Xau-tak mythos does. However I do not believe they are the same mythos. One may just be a bastardized concept of the first. I have seen the dark universe yawning, where the black planets roll without aim;
Where they roll in their horror unheeded, without knowledge or lustre or name.

14-May-2018 20:19:38

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