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Aterivus
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William Witt said :
Would Zamorak not be bringing destruction, strife and chaos in an attempt to strengthen people, Aterivus?

Would Saradomin not bring war, in an attempt to eradicate those he deems unsavory , Kittyphantom?

EDIT: I am not against Saradomin - merely that I feel the air of these forums has grown thick as of late. " All great changes are preceded by chaos. "

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12-Nov-2013 07:47:03 - Last edited on 12-Nov-2013 07:53:43 by Aterivus

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What I just described is an integral part of Zamorak's philosophy - What you suggest is not the case for Saradomin. In fact...

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'Icriulis @treemanforever 5 Nov
@JagexOsborne No no, I appreciate you answering the question. Next question, in your eyes is saradomin only tolerant to his followers?'

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@treemanforever He is not someone who would smite anyone who doesn't follow him. He only takes on those who threaten his people or himself.'

Edit: Air of these forums grown thick as of late... I'm not sure I understand your meaning. Clarification, please!
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12-Nov-2013 07:51:19 - Last edited on 12-Nov-2013 07:57:03 by William Witt

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Meh.

What exactly isn't central to his philosophy (moreover, the methodology aspect of it) that I suggested above? Is it not a core tenet of Saradominism to do anything to establish Order ?

I was not saying he will bring reckless war like Bandos, merely that he advocates it if it means he will rid the world of someone he views as a threat. Nevertheless, war is war, wouldn't you agree? " All great changes are preceded by chaos. "

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12-Nov-2013 07:57:59 - Last edited on 12-Nov-2013 07:58:45 by Aterivus

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Aterivus said :
Is it not a core tenet of Saradominism to do anything to establish Order ?

I disagree; This is not said, is it? We know, of course, that Saradomin seeks to maintain order, but not necessarily that he would do anything for it.

It can, however, scarcely be denied that Zamorak seeks to create chaos and destruction.

So, what did you mean about the air of the forums having grown thick as of late?
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12-Nov-2013 08:04:15

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It seems there's little room for further discussion between us on this matter, as we're doomed for a cycle of accusation and denial or explanations that shall fall on deaf ears.

William Witt said :
So, what did you mean about the air of the forums having grown thick as of late?

That doesn't pertain to this topic, and I'm sure it would be denied by many. Merely, take note that my stance here isn't anti-Saradomin, even though I am SURE it would be construed as one. " All great changes are preceded by chaos. "

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12-Nov-2013 08:09:05

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Very good, now go and find all the quotes in which the JMods have said negative things about him. They do exist; I posted one from Mod Jack a few pages back in the "Saradomin is Benevolent" thread. A Zamorakian lorehound, probably.

25-Nov-2013 04:01:03

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Snowskeeper said :
Very good, now go and find all the quotes in which the JMods have said negative things about him. They do exist; I posted one from Mod Jack a few pages back in the "Saradomin is Benevolent" thread.

Mod Jack said Saradomin would sacrifice a great deal (including his followers) for his own benefit, with great soul searching and regret.

Let's ignore that Mod Jack's post seemed satirical due to inconsistencies with lore (which I noted in my thread) and the fact he says it's his own personal opinion at the beginning of the topic (he doesn't always say that with his quotes either, and ones he has made regarding Zaros are very reliable because he is a storyline writer for the Empty Lord).

If we assume his statement is true, then Saradomin's decision to sacrifice others would not be taken lightly, as illustrated by the "soul searching" and "regret" he would feel.

From the lore in-game we can see Saradomin's primary objective is to protect people from chaos, destruction and death, to defend them against the injustice of the other Gods. To sacrifice them would contradict his very own philosophy and morals, so he would only do it if it was absolutely necessary.

A situation of great necessity is if his life was in grave danger - BUT he would still fight to protect his people as best he could, for as long as he could.

We see first hand evidence of this with the Naragi, where Saradomin fought against Tuska, a wild beast, solely to defend them against her. When he could not win he was forced to retreat.

I see no value in a "fight to the death mentality" that is idiocy.

Saradomin is an extremely important God and while he aims to protect others he must be protected too.

There was nothing in Mod Jack's quote to suggest he isn't benevolent.

If you're saying he would sacrifice his followers for an offer of an elder artefact because it benefitted him I would say it's very unsafe and unsupported speculation.

29-Nov-2013 10:20:41 - Last edited on 29-Nov-2013 10:25:50 by Nerevarine x

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