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Edcy

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Now i recall a person who's followed no god at all from the begin, what a fellow! He would pick the best parts of different wisdoms to combine ultimate faction of his own, somewhat. Why the rest of you get stuck to one faction and go die with it? What do you have too much, or what do you lack? Is well beyond me i say! :@

21-Mar-2016 14:31:01

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Hawkfish said :
I followed Saradomin from the start. I've played this game for atleast 10 years. Though the last years only logging in a few times and during this sixth age watching the lore and trying to aid mighty Saradomin.

Saradomin is the god of order, good & wisdom. He is hot-headed yes but believe me I have less patience. Saradomin's plan is good, under his guidance the human kingdoms flourished. He wishes everyone to be safe and without fear. Under his rule the weak arent trempled over by the strong but rather the strong gain glory for defending the weak.

Armadyl wishes justice and peace but this cannot exist without order and wisdom. I like Armadyl and I would aid him because I believe his ideas align with Saradomin. Though his reluctance to do what must be done is a turn off for me.

Zaros is a dangerous monster. He truly is evil in his intent. His control once took things too far. And his Empire was not good for all. And now he wishes to mess with beings who would consider him a stronger version of the many ants living on their resting place.

Zamorak's chaos is evil incarnate. Chaos will lead to social darwanism, anarchy and survival of the fittest. The people will live in fear as the strongest wage war for control or even survival. He must never be able to rule this planet.
And here I thought Saradomin was against dark and vile magicks such as necromancy. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

21-Mar-2016 15:35:19

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Raleirosen said :
And here I thought Saradomin was against dark and vile magicks such as necromancy.

The wand isn't necromancy. If you noticed from DoC dawn couldn't actually use the wand. So instead she used its magic to enhance her necromancy.

Its kind of a foggy subject but when the wand if fully functioning with an individual that is pure and is willing to sacrifice part of their life energy the person the wand is used on comes back to life in full.

Necromancy seems to not care about the individual conscience or soul in the slightest they just want the body reanimated until it is just a walking husk. Other instances are magics where the individual is transformed and the magic effects their minds until they have little ability of freewill like Arrav or arguably the barrows brothers.
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21-Mar-2016 16:04:44

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Raxxess said :
Raleirosen said :
And here I thought Saradomin was against dark and vile magicks such as necromancy.

The wand isn't necromancy. If you noticed from DoC dawn couldn't actually use the wand. So instead she used its magic to enhance her necromancy.

Its kind of a foggy subject but when the wand if fully functioning with an individual that is pure and is willing to sacrifice part of their life energy the person the wand is used on comes back to life in full.

Necromancy seems to not care about the individual conscience or soul in the slightest they just want the body reanimated until it is just a walking husk. Other instances are magics where the individual is transformed and the magic effects their minds until they have little ability of freewill like Arrav or arguably the barrows brothers.
I'm pretty sure she's referring to the necro of the thread.

Though I disagree with you. It's still necromancy in my mind. There are quite of few necromancers that restore mind and body. For instance Melzar exclusively focused on the soul (he was pretty bad at it tbh). But there is also some necromancer's who have the ability to restore their minds and bodies at least as well as the wand of resurrection. Take the necromancer in the necromancer's tower who restores himself back to life every time you kill him, or Malignius Mortifer who brings back his students.

Not to mention that Saradomin had ghosts fighting for him in the god wars. (Spiritual Warriors) So I highly doubt Saradomin minds necromancy as long as it serves him.

21-Mar-2016 19:48:35

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Nere***ine x

Now there's a name I haven't heard in a long, long time... -
I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

21-Mar-2016 22:18:31

Raleirosen

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Cthris said :
I'm pretty sure she's referring to the necro of the thread.
Dingdingding!

You're right, though; any magic that deals with death is, on some level, necromancy. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

21-Mar-2016 23:58:42 - Last edited on 21-Mar-2016 23:59:09 by Raleirosen

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I applaud your effort, and I give you lots of credit for compiling all this. I still don't plan on following Saradomin, and I still have a bone to pick with him.

Yes, people do make Saradomin out to be worse than he is.. but at the end of the day, Saradomin is still human. Humans make mistakes, and basic human instinct is to survive, by any means necessary. If it comes down to one-on-one, Saradomin lives, or you do. Saradomin kills you, no questions asked.

He's not as bad as people make him out to be, but he's also nowhere near as good as all the Saradominist people you're quoting in this thread will make him out to be, either. A
World Guardian
must learn to find
Balance
in themselves.
Only then can they
Control
themselves and forge their own
Fate .

15-Apr-2016 10:33:02

Jack Bowe
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So, Saradomin says that he fought to protect the Naragi, yet everyone who could possibly corroborate his story were "oblivious" to his actions and didn't know that he changed his mind and tried to defend them. He’s being mendacious. This is not justification, in my eyes, and we have every right to bastardize him for what he did during that time.

I agree that his actions in taking the wand in The Death of Chivalry should not be a reason to belittle Saradomin, although I dislike him, his decisions and his actions, I would have done the same thing in this situation if I was trying to save a fallen friend.

To me, Saradomin is not entirely none-virtuous, but he is not "incredibly so" as you say. To me his virtue is on the same scale as any, average human. There is both good and bad, and a balance between the two. There isn't more good than bad as Saradominist's claim, or more bad than good as Zamorakian's claim, this is what happens when you were human before your ascension.

The Book of the Gods, Saradomin Section does not show "Saradomin's caring nature" or "his dedication to justice," it simply shows that Saradomin chooses his own goals before his people, and that he'd not attend to them to the point of them believing he'd forgotten about them until his goals were achieved. Along with that, it was written by a believer of Saradomin, I believe that to be biased. It's like a Zamorakian preaching good about Zamorak, or a Zarosian about Zaros, it's purely one-sided. A neutral view is what I believe to be an accurate one.

15-Apr-2016 19:56:19 - Last edited on 15-Apr-2016 19:56:32 by Jack Bowe

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I do not, at all, take any emissaries word on who their God is, why I should follow them or their plans. They all tell you what you want to hear to attract the most followers to their faction. This argument is a fallacy. They don’t mention any of the mistakes he’s made, and they leave out indispensable information. “He wants to build a world free from oppression, from needless death and suffering.” No, he wants a world where he is leader, regardless if that is free from oppression or not, he does have an ulterior motive. “Saradomin is the one true God” – could you be any more arrogant? He believes he has a right to rule, and this is exactly the attitude he had when he attacked the Naragi, he evidently hasn’t grown as you claim he has. It’s not “his” world, at all. He has called it his world because of his desire for power, and if you’re too blind to see that then no wonder you’re a Saradominist.

Guthix may have wanted to banish all of the other Gods, but you forget that included him. He stayed away, he did*’t interfere, and he stayed to allow the Edicts to persist to do their job. Saradomin getting rid of all of the Gods and calling them “invaders” and not allowing himself to leave Gielinor is entirely hypocritical. Why should Saradomin be the one to rule? Why him over the other Gods who strive for peace?

Pad*menes’ dialogue does not illustrate that they will destroy you as a last resort, if anything, it illustrates it as a first. Killing everyone who opposes you is a strait of a dictator, not a strong, benevolent leader. It doesn’t demonstrate his will to protect; it demonstrates his desire for power. I agree that he is more tolerant than we are led to believe, but that doesn’t mean he is entirely so.

15-Apr-2016 19:56:51

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