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Nerevarine x

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Having re-read my posts just now (several years later, wow has time gone by!) I can see there is very clear evidence that I've presented repeatedly, with DIRECT quotes from in-game characters to support my perspective.

It appears Zarosians and Zamorakians are bitter and willfully ignorant of this evidence because it doesn't conform to their view of Saradomin being an unsavoury God.

That's a shame.

21-Jan-2016 04:54:33

Lianna98

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Nerevarine x said :
Having re-read my posts just now (several years later, wow has time gone by!) I can see there is very clear evidence that I've presented repeatedly, with DIRECT quotes from in-game characters to support my perspective.

It appears Zarosians and Zamorakians are bitter and willfully ignorant of this evidence because it doesn't conform to their view of Saradomin being an unsavoury God.

That's a shame.

You've clearly established your points and all that's left is for them to interpret it anyway they want. If they agree and have been influenced, then good. It's really up to them. By all means, they can stand with their own opinions provided that they are as established, if not more so, as your own.

For me, you can align with Brassica if it suits you and then look down on Saradominism just the same. So long as you can back your opinions on the matter that is. Your opinion will be respected in that case.
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21-Jan-2016 14:30:29

Astraea L

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Of course, they're welcome to have their own opinion, and I have no problem with that, but there are some people in the community who think Saradomin is pure evil, and will either ignore any evidence to the contrary or assume anything positive he does is purely out of self-interest. They'll also ignore questionable actions that other gods have committed, while holding similar actions committed by Saradomin against him. That's what I have a problem with. People have every right to criticize Saradomin, but they should at least try to be fair and objective. I consider Zamorak and Zaros my enemies, but at least I can admit that they have done -some- good things, and not everything Saradomin has done has been saintly.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who can't list at least one good thing about an opposing faction and at least one bad thing about their own faction is too biased to be worth arguing with. As is anyone who ridicules you just for supporting a certain faction. After all, it's difficult to win an argument against a smart person, but just about impossible to win an argument against an idiot.
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21-Jan-2016 16:57:22

Raleirosen

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Astraea L said :
As far as I'm concerned, anyone who can't list at least one good thing about an opposing faction and at least one bad thing about their own faction is too biased to be worth arguing with.
Wow, couldn't have described Zilyarine any better myself. Very well said, Jexel. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

21-Jan-2016 21:26:26

Padomenes

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Nerevarine x said :
Having re-read my posts just now (several years later, wow has time gone by!) I can see there is very clear evidence that I've presented repeatedly, with DIRECT quotes from in-game characters to support my perspective.

It appears Zarosians and Zamorakians are bitter and willfully ignorant of this evidence because it doesn't conform to their view of Saradomin being an unsavoury God.

That's a shame. You should have done the within the light quest as well for additional positive points made to Saradomin. When are you coming back?

21-Jan-2016 21:43:12

Ancient Drew

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As a Zarosian, I try to look at things both in detail and as part of a bigger picture. This is just my personal opinion.

I think Saradomin is just a normal human being who was brought up in his own era and a certain culture. It's been established that he came from Teragard, which is said in One of a Kind to be "a cold place, in both temperature and temperament". I have a few theories about his personality, which I will go into.

Firstly, the held belief that he is pure evil. I disagree with this; everyone is equally capable of good and evil, and people grow up shaped by their cultures. The people in Teragard are said to think themselves superior to each other, are proud and wouldn't leave without a good reason. This would explain Saradomin being staunch in his beliefs and showcasing himself as the paragon of good, although he may be doing this deliberately in order to inspire people to be good and stay innocent. He says in DoC: "that they may live a life of virtue without fear...and have no cause to dirty their hands, as I have." This shows that he wants to set an example to his followers, and does have good intentions.

Secondly, his hot-headedness, particularly when he's denied. This is shown when he razed the Askroth to the ground, tore Garlandia's wings off, and when he took the Wand of Resurrection by force from players who didn't give it to him. This could suit his upbringing and his position as the god of order, and he shares this with Zamorak, who says himself: "Vengeance is never far from my mind. Retribution will come to those that have made the mistake of crossing me."

Thirdly, his benevolence. Although he is hot-headed and does things rashly, Saradomin does prefer peace. I believe this because he knows that the Crown Archival lures other gods to him when he uses it so tries to keep a low profile, and that at the end of BoL he advances towards Zamorak but doesn't attack. He looks content with the result and leaves afterwards. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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22-Jan-2016 17:22:27

Crow Crimson

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Ancient Drew said :


Thirdly, his benevolence. Although he is hot-headed and does things rashly, Saradomin does prefer peace. I believe this because he knows that the Crown Archival lures other gods to him when he uses it so tries to keep a low profile, and that at the end of BoL he advances towards Zamorak but doesn't attack. He looks content with the result and leaves afterwards.

From my perspective, he was charging up his final blow, but Zamorak got teleported away just on time. And I'm not sure if the Crown Archival has an off button; I thought it constantly sent a signal out to other elder artifact users. Therefore, I don't agree with the idea that Saradomin would hinder his ambitions for the sake of peace. The legendary creators have been long gone from this world. When they return, they'll be surprised and angered of their creations' new sapience. Meanwhile, the world's most elite, summoned to be its guardians, have abandoned their purpose and intend to plunge the world into chaos. -- Bionicle or RS?

24-Jan-2016 20:54:34

Raxxess

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Ancient Drew said :
Secondly, his hot-headedness, particularly when he's denied. This is shown when he razed the Askroth to the ground, tore Garlandia's wings off, and when he took the Wand of Resurrection by force from players who didn't give it to him. This could suit his upbringing and his position as the god of order, and he shares this with Zamorak, who says himself: "Vengeance is never far from my mind. Retribution will come to those that have made the mistake of crossing me."

I don't really think him taking the wand was being hot headed. I see him more as pragmatic. This was quoted from jmods but it is really the logic of the situation. If the player kept the wand from him than Owen would have died and that's how Saradomin viewed the situation.

What I like about Saradomin is that I think that he is one of the only gods that is willing to make an enemy out of the player if he thinks that player is making decisions that may hurt the people that follow him. Most gods tend to kiss the world guardian's feet because they know they need the player to fulfill their plans.
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27-Jan-2016 18:35:39

Hawkfish

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I followed Saradomin from the start. I've played this game for atleast 10 years. Though the last years only logging in a few times and during this sixth age watching the lore and trying to aid mighty Saradomin.

Saradomin is the god of order, good & wisdom. He is hot-headed yes but believe me I have less patience. Saradomin's plan is good, under his guidance the human kingdoms flourished. He wishes everyone to be safe and without fear. Under his rule the weak arent trempled over by the strong but rather the strong gain glory for defending the weak.

Armadyl wishes justice and peace but this cannot exist without order and wisdom. I like Armadyl and I would aid him because I believe his ideas align with Saradomin. Though his reluctance to do what must be done is a turn off for me.

Zaros is a dangerous monster. He truly is evil in his intent. His control once took things too far. And his Empire was not good for all. And now he wishes to mess with beings who would consider him a stronger version of the many ants living on their resting place.

Zamorak's chaos is evil incarnate. Chaos will lead to social darwanism, anarchy and survival of the fittest. The people will live in fear as the strongest wage war for control or even survival. He must never be able to rule this planet.
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20-Mar-2016 09:47:07

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