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Leopold

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And I go through the same cycle again. Ill try to sum it up all the quotes and lore references are above.

Basically Azzanadra was going mad. He claimed that he was hearing Zaro's voice and that Zaros was telling him to kill the other gods and expand the empire. Which goes directly against what Zaros told us in Fot*.

Zaros received his information on what became of his empire from Azzanadra when communication was re-established.

All I'm saying is someone lied or something is wrong. Either Zaros could communicate with his followers despite telling you he couldn't and not responding to them. Or Azzanadra went mad and his stories shouldn't be taken exactly as fact, and Zaros being the god he is trusted that Azzanadra's word was what happened.

Conjecture, conjecture , conjecture.

Gotta stop making false conclusions based on incomplete information.

30-Apr-2014 23:06:01

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Leopold said :
And I go through the same cycle again. Ill try to sum it up all the quotes and lore references are above.

Basically Azzanadra was going mad. He claimed that he was hearing Zaro's voice and that Zaros was telling him to kill the other gods and expand the empire. Which goes directly against what Zaros told us in Fot*.

Zaros received his information on what became of his empire from Azzanadra when communication was re-established.

All I'm saying is someone lied or something is wrong. Either Zaros could communicate with his followers despite telling you he couldn't and not responding to them. Or Azzanadra went mad and his stories shouldn't be taken exactly as fact, and Zaros being the god he is trusted that Azzanadra's word was what happened.

Conjecture, conjecture , conjecture.

Gotta stop making false conclusions based on incomplete information.

This point is largely irrelevant to be honest, now that Zaros has returned what Azzanadra has told Zaros can now be corroborated by the other Zarosians.
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30-Apr-2014 23:08:06

William Witt
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Oh, Marimbo. I posted about it on Page 12 of the thread, if you're interested.

But you know, maybe I actually will look into engaging them a bit on the forums... If you think it'll help. They weren't convinced in private conversation, so I'm not sure if the forums would be any different.
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30-Apr-2014 23:08:10

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Leopold said :
I'm simply making my point. Of course if there is any lore that makes Saradomin look like a monster you take it as completely cannon lore. I'm just stating that it isn't there are inconsistencies and Zaros opinion on Saradomin isn't fact. I'm not saying Zaros is evil I'm not saying Saradomin is good. I'm saying that you can't deem that Saradomin is fully evil because its not stable territory because here the information Zaros has is shaky.

No he's not fully evil, but even if it isnt from Zaros himself it does come from:
•Ashulot Reis
*Nex's Followers
•Azzanadra's observations & memories
•Zaros's Memories
•Book of Gods - Zaros
•AoG, although a bit shaky, is a guide to the 3rd age events.
•Wgs - Battle of Ankharl - scene where Saradomin revives Zilayna with Stone of Jas.

But yes I do see value in Saradomin, I just think Armadyl is a better option than absolute order since it also implies a sense of tyranny and oppression.


Saradominists aren't really inherently good either - Asgarnia is controlled by the White Knights and not the King. Kandarin is controlled and mixed in with the Dark Lord.

No faction is inherently good. And saradomin is no where close to perfect or good. But I try to champion that there are two sides to the story and Saradomin just happens to be in a bad position where there is no lore on his side of the story so I just point what could be wrong. Being on these forums a lot of people just think he crushed askroth or ripped garlandia's wings off for fun or something and that is all I'm trying to disprove.
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30-Apr-2014 23:09:57

Ancientm3ge

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Leopold said :
Ancient, what was italicized in my post was quoting Raxxxes, not me.

Conjecture, conjecture conjecture and the next line are my posts.

Oh I know, I was just saying. I don't think Raxxes is going to see our view of this anytime soon.
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30-Apr-2014 23:09:58

Leopold

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William Witt said :
Oh, Marimbo. I posted about it on Page 12 of the thread, if you're interested.

But you know, maybe I actually will look into engaging them a bit on the forums... If you think it'll help. They weren't convinced in private conversation, so I'm not sure if the forums would be any different.

Maybehh. Would lend mroe credibility to you and the Saradominists.

You already have a reputation of being somewhat sane for a person following Sara.

May I ask, why not Armadyl?

Justice & Law allows for leniency and coexistence, Order can be absolute and even oppressive.

30-Apr-2014 23:10:17

Ancientm3ge

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Raxxess said :
Leopold said :
I'm simply making my point. Of course if there is any lore that makes Saradomin look like a monster you take it as completely cannon lore. I'm just stating that it isn't there are inconsistencies and Zaros opinion on Saradomin isn't fact. I'm not saying Zaros is evil I'm not saying Saradomin is good. I'm saying that you can't deem that Saradomin is fully evil because its not stable territory because here the information Zaros has is shaky.

No he's not fully evil, but even if it isnt from Zaros himself it does come from:
•Ashulot Reis
*Nex's Followers
•Azzanadra's observations & memories
•Zaros's Memories
•Book of Gods - Zaros
•AoG, although a bit shaky, is a guide to the 3rd age events.
•Wgs - Battle of Ankharl - scene where Saradomin revives Zilayna with Stone of Jas.

But yes I do see value in Saradomin, I just think Armadyl is a better option than absolute order since it also implies a sense of tyranny and oppression.


Saradominists aren't really inherently good either - Asgarnia is controlled by the White Knights and not the King. Kandarin is controlled and mixed in with the Dark Lord.

No faction is inherently good. And saradomin is no where close to perfect or good. But I try to champion that there are two sides to the story and Saradomin just happens to be in a bad position where there is no lore on his side of the story so I just point what could be wrong. Being on these forums a lot of people just think he crushed askroth or ripped garlandia's wings off for fun or something and that is all I'm trying to disprove.

I myself have not called out Saradomin, nor judged him harshly. I simply ask the same of you, we can discuss lore and view things differently without insulting one another's choice of faction.
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30-Apr-2014 23:11:18 - Last edited on 30-Apr-2014 23:11:50 by Ancientm3ge

Leopold

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Ancientm3ge said :
Leopold said :
Ancient, what was italicized in my post was quoting Raxxxes, not me.

Conjecture, conjecture conjecture and the next line are my posts.

Oh I know, I was just saying. I don't think Raxxes is going to see our view of this anytime soon.

Least he confessed to seeing Saradomin is sem-evil.

Saradomin, the Diet Coke of Evil. :P

I'd feel safer of Saradomin if the World Guardian had an god-killing elder artefact or some weapon capable of taking him down if he gets oppressive.

30-Apr-2014 23:13:17

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