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Gamez X
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Torus? This isnt the IRL universe its the rs one and best we can tell it looks like a tree. The actual 3d shape is a little more tricky cus the rune hierarchy suggests jas went through the middle but the actual distribution of planets through the different paths suggests otherwise. This is the best way i can simply show the 4 paths (unless we get some more planets to fill in the gaps) but even with this it still feels like the right hand side is lacking compared to the left

07-Oct-2017 15:01:59

Gamez X
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Hmm i didnt hear anything about any torus but they did mention how theres 4 paths that split up and come back together and you can see that on my picture, only difference is how wide you make each path curve out to i guess

In that stream they said the dragonkin where from some random planet on the jas path half way in where jas was experimenting with the stone. Honestly i dont like this, its too bland and doesnt fit with the idea they're going with now about how theres runes for each planet, the dragonkin dont belong to any rune on jas path. Plus the idea of any planet surviving that far out is far fetched. I dont think they had a definitive idea back then so i'm really hoping the stuff in these lore segments arnt set in stone cus they're not in the game and so therefore subject to changes before its put into the game. If they wanted the dragonkin to be from the previous universe then the logical place for that is iaia before the elders split up. Iaia's one of the ancient planets and already has 2 other lizard species that are dying out, makes sense this would be home of a 3rd one (the dragonkin). I still think it would of been better if they instead witnessed the elders leaving and followed after jas, who then caught them and bound them to the stone

08-Oct-2017 03:26:48

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Gamez X said :
In that stream they said the dragonkin where from some random planet on the jas path half way in where jas was experimenting with the stone. Honestly i dont like this, its too bland and doesnt fit with the idea they're going with now about how theres runes for each planet, the dragonkin dont belong to any rune on jas path.

Didn't they also say the dragonkin homeworld was destroyed and they only survived by hiding in the abyss?

08-Oct-2017 11:05:42

Gamez X
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Sigh see this is my point exactly, what jagex has said has changed many times over the years that i dont think they had a definitive idea until now. I am taking what is inside the game as fact and what has been said outside it as not set in stone yet. So from that, the universe being cheese or tube shaped is just plain weird and frankly contradictory. What was said INSIDE in the game is what was said in the newest lore stream which is there was a few ancient worlds at the bottom then the 4 paths split up and reconverge at the top. This is what my image is and far from a torus, it ends up being like a tree which is honestly a FAR better design for a universe than a wheel of cheese cus its like the world tree which is honestly what the rs universe sounded like to begin with. I'm gonna take this as the new updated model and what was said before as retconned or outdated. If you must wish it to be a tube/torus then like i said all depends on how spread out or close together you draw the 4 paths

As for the dragonkin your right, they have said they went into the abyss to survive the previous revision before but again this makes no sense. The abyss didnt exist until the elders started making planes so there couldnt of been a planet on the jas path that survived. The ingame location "the abyss" didnt exist until long after when zammy made it so thats not it. Maybe the void but thats never been said and god knows how they got there and back. The only patch of abyss that would of survived the previous revision would be the ancient worlds which means iaia is still the most likely/logical planet. So my idea that they saw the elders leaving and chased after jas looking to save their dying race could still work and still matches with what was previously said with some interpretation. Jagex if your reading this maybe look at my reasoning and update your lore about them, there are a few problems with current lore especially if you add in the new model of the universe since fotg

08-Oct-2017 13:25:25

AesirWarrior
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I'm sorry, but I don't see what the problem is here. I haven't seen anything that implies Jagex "changed their mind" about the shape of the universe, because they never established a shape to begin with. They've just used different models to explain it. Jagex never said the universe was cheese shaped, they never said it was Torus shaped, nor did they say it was shaped like a beehive. These were all simply models to explain how the universe works: How the planes, abyss, the void and so on work in relation to each other.

Now you might prefer one model over another, but I wouldn't call this a "problem", because they don't actually contradict one another. Note how Rowley doesn't state the Cheese model is wrong, simply that a Torus might be more accurate. Nevertheless they're both still just simple models to explain a universe which frankly is most likely impossible to portay accurately on a 2d, or even 3d, surface.

Gamez X said :

but again this makes no sense. The abyss didnt exist until the elders started making planes so there couldnt of been a planet on the jas path that survived.

Says who? Who says the abyss of the old revision is destroyed when the new universe is created? The abyss could very well be a constant that has always existed. In fact, I'd say current lore confirms it

BikKra: Yes, now you mention it I do know what you are referring to. It arrived suddenly with magic that reeked of the Abyss and then she performed some ritual or other on me. That too reeked of the Abyss. I'm not complaining of course, soon everything will need to be cast into the Abyss. When She awakens she'll rework this world, fix it, remove the mistakes and cast them into the Abyss with the other rubble. All these mistakes that think themselves alive will be hurled into the Abyss where they can be rightfully forgotten.
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I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

08-Oct-2017 14:50:53

AesirWarrior
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BikKra: Your opinion hardly matters. Ultimately it's the way of things. All will be remade and improved and the debris cast into the Abyss. I am rather looking forward to it.


TokHaar-Hok: The first worlds were primal and chaotic. The masters tore them asunder, and cast the discarded clay into the abyssal void.

And the prehistoric Abyssal, which I'd say is implied to be a remnant from the previous revision considering it's seen the elders destroy worlds

It took me straight into the Abyss and there I met an ancient creature, with centuries of knowledge. It told me about other worlds that were destroyed by ancient, god-like beings.

Clearly this indicates that when the great revision takes place everything is thrown into the abyss, not just magically removed from existence forever. It's the garbage bin of the elders essentially.



Gamez X said :
The ingame location "the abyss" didnt exist until long after when zammy made it so thats not it.

I mean, it did, Hostilius just wasn't in it. The only thing Zamorak did was put Hostilius there, and we just accidentally teleport inside him because he's so large. -
I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

08-Oct-2017 14:57:11 - Last edited on 08-Oct-2017 14:57:57 by AesirWarrior

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