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Dec

2023

Cthris

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Kemtros said :
I like the idea that Zaros overloaded, and I think that's the same for Seren. The "singing, so loud that I can barely think" especially reminds me of that, and she might be thinking of the past either because she's reminiscing, or because she's reminded of how she had once exploded.

I'd certainly be interested in the idea that Zaros and Seren could merge, but I think something like this suggests that only one of them will become an Elder God, but that ascension would also mean their deaths.
Yeah, I think the fact that Zaros feels sadness when he dies is a good indicator that Seren was at least in some way in close proximity to him. Zaros only really feels emotions when close to Seren so Seren presumably is close by. Personally I think she dies right before he does, hence his sadness.

21-Dec-2016 18:20:27

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2019

4dam

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For Zaros;

when a star collapses in on itself, it becomes a black hole.

Foreshadowing? The Zaros Godsword's spec is called black hole. Maybe there's a hidden meaning in his death which we haven't fully understood yet.

Black holes are massive bodies of energy which bend light around them.

Possible sign of him BECOMING an Elder God and failing to control the power, becoming a destroyer of life rather than a progenitor?

21-Dec-2016 19:05:21

Aug

2022

Kemtros

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Cthris said :
Yeah, I think the fact that Zaros feels sadness when he dies is a good indicator that Seren was at least in some way in close proximity to him. Zaros only really feels emotions when close to Seren so Seren presumably is close by. Personally I think she dies right before he does, hence his sadness.

Or perhaps Seren feels a sadness as Zaros is dying, and that sadness projects onto Zaros? They do have an empathic connection, so it could be that he senses Seren's own sadness.

21-Dec-2016 21:26:26

Satans exile

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Did people get different versions of Zaros death based on previous quest choices? Because I've seen some different wordings of it.

And I guess I'm the only one who made a completely different assumption on his death; I thought it was Char who killed him, after seeing that cutscene with her and Azzanadra argueing.

21-Dec-2016 22:56:31

Aug

2023

Karl Tanner

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How exactly would Char kill him though?

Could the descriptions of their deaths be that their effects on eachother finally cease? The ceasing of a sadness could be what happens when Seren finally has no emotional pull on him anymore, while the relief might be that Seren no longer feels that involuntary loyalty to Zaros? I could totally see these effects becoming a huge weight considering theyve literally for all of their existence.

Out of the night that covers me, Black as the pit from pole to pole, I thank whatever gods may be, For my unconquerable soul.

22-Dec-2016 23:54:23

Hguoh

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I find it slightly interesting that Death's answers for Seren and Zaros could very well refer to the 'deaths' they've already experienced.

In Zaros's case, the burning flame could be Zammy's determination, the darkness would be Zaros's consciousness fading (it took him quite a while to regain enough energy to function again), and the lifting sadness would be Zamorak's relief as he believes he has saved his species from stagnation.

In Seren's case, the relief and joy of acceptance can refer to her deciding to sacrifice herself to try and cure the elves. The loud singing could refer to the elves shaping the shards of her being in their every day life, and her mind being on the past could refer to her reflecting on past decisions that led to her cursing the elves.

They could just as easily mean some other 'deaths' in their futures, but I find it interesting that they could just as easily to the 'deaths' they've already experienced.

23-Dec-2016 00:03:07 - Last edited on 23-Dec-2016 00:05:38 by Hguoh

Hazeel

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Something that confuses the hell out of me...how is Death able to predict Zamorak's death? So OK, Zamorak's a Mahjarrat again and apparently they DO have souls? I figured this was a retcon because we were told before that they didn't have souls and this is why they didn't have an afterlife. But OK, I guess Mahjarrat have souls and get an afterlife--but no wait, Sliske reaffirms that Mahjarrat have no afterlife and therefore can't have a soul, so what the hell is this?

Did Icthlarin just go full bigot on the Mahjarrat and decide to help Amascut destroy their souls upon death? What's stopping their souls from reaching the afterlife? It makes no sense. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

23-Dec-2016 20:02:51

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2013

ZAmorakZaros

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Hazeel said :
Something that confuses the hell out of me...how is Death able to predict Zamorak's death? So OK, Zamorak's a Mahjarrat again and apparently they DO have souls? I figured this was a retcon because we were told before that they didn't have souls and this is why they didn't have an afterlife. But OK, I guess Mahjarrat have souls and get an afterlife--but no wait, Sliske reaffirms that Mahjarrat have no afterlife and therefore can't have a soul, so what the hell is this?

Did Icthlarin just go full bigot on the Mahjarrat and decide to help Amascut destroy their souls upon death? What's stopping their souls from reaching the afterlife? It makes no sense.
Maybe their souls get destroyed or will stay trapped in their gems forever? Maybe the gem is the real mahjarrat? NO
I do not ship ZamorakxZaros.
I follow them. And Marimbo, the best t5 god.

23-Dec-2016 21:48:17

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2022

Kemtros

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Hazeel said :
Something that confuses the hell out of me...how is Death able to predict Zamorak's death? So OK, Zamorak's a Mahjarrat again and apparently they DO have souls? I figured this was a retcon because we were told before that they didn't have souls and this is why they didn't have an afterlife. But OK, I guess Mahjarrat have souls and get an afterlife--but no wait, Sliske reaffirms that Mahjarrat have no afterlife and therefore can't have a soul, so what the hell is this?

Did Icthlarin just go full bigot on the Mahjarrat and decide to help Amascut destroy their souls upon death? What's stopping their souls from reaching the afterlife? It makes no sense.

The idea is that the divine nature was being taken away, so perhaps Zamorak become something even less than a mahjarrat? Although that would suggest someone like Azzanadra would have also gained something like a soul.

25-Dec-2016 15:04:21

Jan

2015

Apollo X

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Hasma Dee said :

Zaros: "I feel a burning as hot as a star, and then a giant blackness. I feel a prolonged sadness that has come to an end. Credit: JivaSoul"

Hazeel said :
Zaros: Dies trying, and failing, to achieve Elder Godhood. It's similar to what Jas said about a flame never being a star. Here it sounds like he's trying to mimic it, but getting overloaded just like the SoJ. Some suggest he becomes an Elder God and THEN dies shortly after, but this sadness felt suggests failure to me. The way it's worded sounds like a "sun exploding", which makes me feel like he'll be overloaded.

Zaros sounds like he dies EVENTUALLY in his pursuit of achieving elder godhood, never actually fulfilling it. It sounds a lot more like he will suffer until the end of time, fruitlessly pursuing and forever denied his ultimate ambition.

I don't think we'll see the deaths of any gods besides Icthlarin.

Browncow45 said :
Zaros and poor Icthlarin sound like their deaths will be plot important. While most people are speculating about Zaros and his endgoal, I have a bad feeling Sliske/Relomia will screw over Icthlarin. While in my body, he even forced my character to lie to Icthlarin's face about hearing the laugh. Amascut's likely going to be a major player somewhere down the line. I'm kind of curious if there will be any repercussions for Death breaking his oath.

Icthlarin sounds a lot more like Amascut alone will be his undoing, not Sliske or Relomia.

26-Dec-2016 02:42:41

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