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Hguoh

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Hazeel said :
Not to add fire to the flames, but I figured I'd just ask this here rather than start a whole thread over it: Why are people still supporting Zaros' plan? The whole point of the plan was to talk with the Elders and establish diplomancy. That failed. The argument in favor of supporting such a poor plan was that it was that "A poor plan is better than no plan."

OK so what's the deal now? While Zaros was off sulking like a child because Auntie Jas didn't raise his allowance, we actually managed to establish diplomacy. If it wasn't obvious from the fact that Zaros wasn't even trying to be diplomatic and was just straight up making demands, he wasn't interested in saving Gielinor. He just wants to ascend. And what does anyone have to gain from ANOTHER anima sucking monster coming in being, complicating things, requiring more sacrifice, and pissing off the Elders, causing our diplomatic efforts to fail?

It's still a long shot, but I personally think that doing something that Jas deems 'impossible' would be a decent way of showing the value of mortal life to the Elder Gods.

31-Dec-2016 03:42:47

CD_Paladin_C

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Hazeel said :
Not to add fire to the flames, but I figured I'd just ask this here rather than start a whole thread over it: Why are people still supporting Zaros' plan? The whole point of the plan was to talk with the Elders and establish diplomancy. That failed. The argument in favor of supporting such a poor plan was that it was that "A poor plan is better than no plan."

OK so what's the deal now? While Zaros was off sulking like a child because Auntie Jas didn't raise his allowance, we actually managed to establish diplomacy. If it wasn't obvious from the fact that Zaros wasn't even trying to be diplomatic and was just straight up making demands, he wasn't interested in saving Gielinor. He just wants to ascend. And what does anyone have to gain from ANOTHER anima sucking monster coming in being, complicating things, requiring more sacrifice, and pissing off the Elders, causing our diplomatic efforts to fail?

*yawn*

Sulking like a child? Zaros is the only one not sulking like a child. Go talk to Azzanadra, Zaros left Gielinor with a passion to prove her wrong.

Also it's already established lore that Zaros cares about Zaros first.

BTW

Elder Gods would see diplomacy with another of their kind which is why he demands it first, now will be the time for diplomacy and proving Jas wrong.

What are the other gods going to do? Nothing. Seren is really the only other hope the world has. "Your god's dead next time he's in a world event. "
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31-Dec-2016 06:25:43

Hazeel

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CD_Paladin_C said :
Go talk to Azzanadra, Zaros left Gielinor with a passion to prove her wrong.

I could see that when he started quoting Saradomin.

CD_Paladin_C said :
Also it's already established lore that Zaros cares about Zaros first.

Yeah, but before the argument was that it was beneficial to mortals and "the only plan". He didn't try for diplomacy, but I suppose it doesn't matter since we achieved it anyway. The problem is, now he's trying to piss the Elders off and become one of them all while adding another anima suckling monster to feed.

CD_Paladin_C said :
Elder Gods would see diplomacy with another of their kind which is why he demands it first

Or it'll just piss them off more likely since Jas denied him to begin with. But either way, even if Zaros tried to be diplomatic, it'd be moot at this point. We've already reached diplomacy.

CD_Paladin_C said :
What are the other gods going to do? Nothing.

I can only hope you're right. They need to learn their place and butt out. All of them. This is the WG's job and nobody else's. All they would do at this point is set the Elders off.

EDIT: Then again, there's a question in serving any God at this point since we know they're all going to fail and die. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

31-Dec-2016 07:40:29 - Last edited on 31-Dec-2016 07:56:15 by Hazeel

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Hazeel said :
CD_Paladin_C said :
What are the other gods going to do? Nothing.

I can only hope you're right. They need to learn their place and butt out. All of them. This is the WG's job and nobody else's. All they would do at this point is set the Elders off.

EDIT: Then again, there's a question in serving any God at this point since we know they're all going to fail and die.
None of the deaths seem elder related...

But is Saradomin going to let entrana just walk away? NO
I do not ship ZamorakxZaros.
I follow them. And Marimbo, the best t5 god.

31-Dec-2016 11:07:50 - Last edited on 31-Dec-2016 11:17:13 by ZAmorakZaros

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Quael

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I would like to point out this.

Seren has stated that if it wasn't for our title and power as world guardian, Zaros would see no use in us. He tells his Dragon rider general that we may still be useful to him during the Sliske Endgame. Now that he was denied something he greedily wanted, he still plans on becoming an elder god. So our usefulness may no longer be needed OR does it?

As stated above WE now represent mortal and life, something Zaros claimed he wanted to do. But failed to even ascended to elder god. Lucky for us he didn't need to wake them all up, as we can see his plan to become elder god by waking them all up would have failed and threaten life itself, which proved my point that his methods are too risky and dangerous. So now we need to show why life is worth keeping.

On a side note, Zaros wanted the stone to use it's power to wake the elder gods, but needed to find the elder hall first.

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31-Dec-2016 13:02:13 - Last edited on 31-Dec-2016 13:04:32 by Quael

CD_Paladin_C

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ZAmorakZaros said :
Hazeel said :
CD_Paladin_C said :
What are the other gods going to do? Nothing.

I can only hope you're right. They need to learn their place and butt out. All of them. This is the WG's job and nobody else's. All they would do at this point is set the Elders off.

EDIT: Then again, there's a question in serving any God at this point since we know they're all going to fail and die.
None of the deaths seem elder related...

But is Saradomin going to let entrana just walk away?

I'd argue that Zamorak's is elder related.

As for your second reason, you have to remember that #Saradoministlivesdontmatter . This hashtag was created with the sole purpose of pointing out that Saradomin NEVER does anything to protect his followers.

Hazeel said :

EDIT: Then again, there's a question in serving any God at this point since we know they're all going to fail and die.

See that bugged the shit out of me, that pretty much confirmed that the only right faction is that shitty godless faction unless Seren or Zaros's can be interrupted in another way. Honestly I think the best thing for jagex to do would be to have one of the gods (not Icthlarin) reach this obvious point and have them survive the instance only due to the fact that they're god and it would've killed anyone else. That would show that even Death is flawed especially in that maze. "Your god's dead next time he's in a world event. "
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31-Dec-2016 15:31:50 - Last edited on 31-Dec-2016 16:36:18 by CD_Paladin_C

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CD_Paladin_C said :

See that bugged the shit out of me, that pretty much confirmed that the only right faction is that shitty godless faction

Lets be honest there is a higher chance of us getting a xau tak or queen of ashes faction emissaries than the godless getting content, so I wouldn't worry about that if I was u.

31-Dec-2016 16:58:56

Hazeel

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CD_Paladin_C said :
See that bugged the shit out of me, that pretty much confirmed that the only right faction is that shitty godless faction unless Seren or Zaros's can be interrupted in another way. Honestly I think the best thing for jagex to do would be to have one of the gods (not Icthlarin) reach this obvious point and have them survive the instance only due to the fact that they're god and it would've killed anyone else. That would show that even Death is flawed especially in that maze.

I doubt they're going to directly bring it up again and confirm that we can defy death's fate, but I do agree with you. It's not too bad for me, personally, because I've fully accepted that Zamorak is likely to go full lemming at any time and he isn't exactly required for his philosophy. But this is kind of...unfair for the others whose faction relies on their God. Saradominism and Serenism relies on the idea of their God protecting them and and Zarosianism relies on the idea of Zaros being an Elder God. Armadyleans have this problem to a lesser extent, as well as the fact that they're meant to be rooting for Armadyl to unite everyone........kinda hard to do that when they're all dead.

I imagine it's kinda hard to stay motivated when you know you can't really win. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

31-Dec-2016 17:04:04

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Quael said :
As stated above WE now represent mortal and life, something Zaros claimed he wanted to do. But failed to even ascended to elder god. Lucky for us he didn't need to wake them all up, as we can see his plan to become elder god by waking them all up would have failed and threaten life itself, which proved my point that his methods are too risky and dangerous. So now we need to show why life is worth keeping.

He seemed pretty adamant in FotG about wanting to ascend before trying to wake and then negotiate with the elders as he believed they would only listen to another of their kind. Jas showing up then just gave him the opportunity to try asking. And then she rang the alarm bells to wake the others even faster, not Zaros.

31-Dec-2016 17:50:26 - Last edited on 31-Dec-2016 17:52:24 by Hguoh

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Quael

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Hguoh said :
Quael said :
As stated above WE now represent mortal and life, something Zaros claimed he wanted to do. But failed to even ascended to elder god. Lucky for us he didn't need to wake them all up, as we can see his plan to become elder god by waking them all up would have failed and threaten life itself, which proved my point that his methods are too risky and dangerous. So now we need to show why life is worth keeping.

He seemed pretty adamant in FotG about wanting to ascend before trying to wake and then negotiate with the elders as he believed they would only listen to another of their kind. Jas showing up then just gave him the opportunity to try asking. And then she rang the alarm bells to wake the others even faster, not Zaros.

She rang the bell to inform the other elders of our task, what we must do, and they all agree. That still doesn't excuse the fact that his plan and wanting to represent mortal would have failed.

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31-Dec-2016 20:50:21

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