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Hazeel

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I think the appropriate response would be to either :

1) Dismiss her and let her resume life as a civilian.

2) Appoint her the ambassador of peace and send her over. If she lives and manages to successfully obtain a treaty, they reach peace. If she dies, she was aware of the risk and only proved Saradomin right. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

23-Nov-2017 23:14:20

Aeldari

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MystLunaris said :


Really there were peaceful options all the time, but Saradomin just chose to ignore them and he does this time and time again.


I do not necessarily agree with this statement. Saradomin does what he believes is in the best interest of his followers, his ends justify the means mentality is evident in his past and present actions accordingly. I do not see Saradomin going with the one and only option without consideration of other avenues, though arrogant, brash, and prideful he is.

Saradomin isn't a war monger, he cares deeply for his people and would not endanger them without a very good and compelling reason. Saradomin will use war as a means to reach an end goal yes, but with the regret he exudes when speaking to him it is clear that he carries a heavy burden from the choices he has made, and yet those choices have led to prosperity for multiple races.
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24-Nov-2017 13:24:47

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Ancient Drew said :
We need to see what happened for ourselves through a memory or cutscene. Bring DoC2 over.

I think the memory of the Garlandia incident would fit quite well in DoC2, actually.

If DoC2 is ever made in our life times it could serve as a good argument against the Centaurs simply returning to Saradomins service and dying all over again should there ever be another war.
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24-Nov-2017 17:15:28

Quael
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Hazeel said :
I think the appropriate response would be to either :

1) Dismiss her and let her resume life as a civilian.

2) Appoint her the ambassador of peace and send her over. If she lives and manages to successfully obtain a treaty, they reach peace. If she dies, she was aware of the risk and only proved Saradomin right.

^ Pretty much what I thought also. Saradomin said he was happy to hear Garlandia's proposal of a peaceful method, but he wanted to prove that the enemies were going to do what he did to Garlandia, ripping her wings off. While Garlandia thinks it was against her for embarrassing him, Saradomin did it to prove a point. It was a awful way to prove a point, he could have proven it without having her in the condition she is now.
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26-Nov-2017 13:22:29 - Last edited on 26-Nov-2017 13:23:59 by Quael

Hguoh

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Hazeel said :
2) Appoint her the ambassador of peace and send her over. If she lives and manages to successfully obtain a treaty, they reach peace. If she dies, she was aware of the risk and only proved Saradomin right.

Heck, he could even follow her without Garlandia or the other race's knowledge, and rescue her if/when things turned south. That way she could tell everyone how the other race turned on her and her attempt at peace failed, and she also then has impetus to join Saradomin's army of her own choice rather than at Saradomin's request (a much stronger message to those that look up to her than either her mutilation or death).

And, of course, if Garlandia manages to make peace, Saradomin would be praised as a wise and merciful leader for seizing the opportunity for peace when it was presented.

Mewzard said :
From Runefest's Lore Marathon (thanks to Rubic for this quote):

"They clip the wings of wrongdoers, and strands shunned Iceyne to be stuck in the winter alone.

It isn't barbaric but a long honored tradition."

So, for good or ill, this punishment is an old Icyene one, and one they don't have a negative view on.

I'd disagree with the premise of the quote. Something can be both a time honored tradition and be barbaric. For example, the Aztec's practiced human sacrifice and ritualistic cannibalism. They believed the world would end if such practices were not regularly performed. The abject brutality displayed, however, makes it undeniably barbaric even if it was a long honored tradition.

Besides, even if the Icyene didn't know better, Saradomin's statements about the incident indicate that he did. His decision to punish Garlandia as he did was an utterly abysmal call on his part only surpassed by his decision to raze Askroth in the Naragun God Wars.

27-Nov-2017 19:33:59 - Last edited on 27-Nov-2017 19:44:22 by Hguoh

MystLunaris

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Aeldari said :

Saradomin isn't a war monger, he cares deeply for his people and would not endanger them without a very good and compelling reason. Saradomin will use war as a means to reach an end goal yes, but with the regret he exudes when speaking to him it is clear that he carries a heavy burden from the choices he has made, and yet those choices have led to prosperity for multiple races.

Mmmhmm, so what was the reason for sending all his armies into Gilenor to die during the Second Age (and now 6th age) when he could've easily left them where they were letting them live out peaceful lives?
He didn't even have a following (on Gilenor) when he first landed on Gilenor.
And of course why was he even on Gilenor in the first place? Well, it's pretty heavily implied he just came there because his crown told him that was where some God Artifacts were at.
So he basically just came there because he wanted some more powerful artifacts and then decided to go into various wars to get them. That doesn't really seem like doing things for good reasons to me.
We know that in the second age Saradomin was fighting Zaros before Zamorak even betrayed him and from this quote, by Zaros pretty clearly shows that Saradomin was the aggressor.
"I wanted to bring all the young gods under one banner, but they would not recognise my divinity. I would have welcomed them all, but they were blinkered by their own narrow, dogmatic views, and so they rejected me. I did not start wars; I was just better at them... and through war I started to make progress."
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Seems like Saradomin is a pretty Warmongery guy to me.

Also if Saradomin really cares about all his people why hasn't he gone back to Teragard and sorted everything out yet?
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27-Nov-2017 21:59:53

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Hguoh said :

Besides, even if the Icyene didn't know better, Saradomin's statements about the incident indicate that he did. His decision to punish Garlandia as he did was an utterly abysmal call on his part only surpassed by his decision to raze Askroth in the Naragun God Wars.

Askroth was only one city, I think helping to wipe out the whole Zarosian empire when he could've defended them from Zamorak instead surpasses that.
And although this doesn't surpass it it's also worth mentioning him burying The Sleeper/The submerged statue in water just off the coast of Entrana so that it couldn't warn anyone about the dangers of the Dragonkin or abusing the Elder artifacts.
I mean you know, obviously keeping a statue around that says how dangerous it would be to have those artifacts and how it would put the people using them at risk would be pretty problematic for him if any of the various people he teleported into Gilenor heard that, when his whole plan is for them to fight and die for him so he can get all the Elder artifacts. I wouldn't be really happy if someone told me that getting the thing we were all fighting and dying for would actually put us at more risk and end up killing more of us than just fighting for that thing already has. 99-120 Skill content , Skilling boss ideas , Talents , God Emissary D&D/Minigame , Vampyric and Elven tech trees

27-Nov-2017 22:07:07

Hguoh

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MystLunaris said :
Askroth was only one city, I think helping to wipe out the whole Zarosian empire when he could've defended them from Zamorak instead surpasses that.

Considering the Zarosian Empire attacked him first on false intelligence (see Virtus Book: Torva Section), I wouldn't consider that as much of an atrocious decision as annihilating a city shortly after your arrival because some people who couldn't pose a threat to you unless you let them were rude to you.

27-Nov-2017 22:17:03

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