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Balustan

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Zoli Ben said :
Elves must be 5th Age. By time of 6th Age they are pretty open about themself and stuff. And now with that reference in Owen quest....

I tend to agree up until at least Within the Light but it's arguably unlike Prisoner of Glouphrie. Then again Prisoner of Glouphrie could be 6th age but Path of Glouphrie cannot.
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23-Aug-2013 17:33:33

Robo Hobo

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I think Elves (including Within the Light) should be considered 5th age, due to them trying to bring back the Dark Lord.

If the Dark Lord is not Zamorak, then it could be 6th age, but if they intend to have it be Zamorak, then it should be 5th age, or else Lord Iowerth is really clueless.

I have a feeling it's intended to be Zamorak though as recently it was said that the Dark Lord is someone who's been referenced several times throughout the elven series and...there have been several references to Zamorak. You can only fully appreciate a story when you experience it through the eyes of one of its characters.

23-Aug-2013 17:33:47

Lensig

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Is it an idea to sort them by quest series more clearly?

They are, of course, already sorted by quest series, but it may be an idea to add subtitles for "Elf quests", "Goblin quests", "Myreque quests", etc. Right now it's just one long list and a bit hard to skim for the casual reader.

23-Aug-2013 17:37:24

Balustan

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Robo Hobo said :
I think Elves (including Within the Light) should be considered 5th age, due to them trying to bring back the Dark Lord.

If the Dark Lord is not Zamorak, then it could be 6th age, but if they intend to have it be Zamorak, then it should be 5th age, or else Lord Iowerth is really clueless.

I have a feeling it's intended to be Zamorak though as recently it was said that the Dark Lord is someone who's been referenced several times throughout the elven series and...there have been several references to Zamorak.

Also a good point.

We know it's Zamorak or Zaros since they have been mentioned with elf content and are not Seren so yeah makes sense.

@Lensig I agree sorting by quest series is a good idea.

Then everything else afterwards.
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23-Aug-2013 17:40:30

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I've added more quests to my post before, notably Big Chompy Bird Hunting which is required for RFD. Zogre Flesh Eaters is required for Rum Deal, potentially removable req.



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Wahisietel
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[#283U6XRSI] said :
I disagree with two things:
1) The Elf serie should be considered 5th Age until Roving Elves. Roving Elves is required for The Prisoner of Glouphrie so the elves trust you enough to allow you in Lletya. Also, Sir Owen is responsible for killing Iban. In the quest you make a comment about your encounter with Iban during Underground Pass. Catapult Construction however doesn't need to be 5th Age (it seems you forgot that one).

2) Big Chompy Bird Hunting is necessary for two sub-quests of RFD. Zogre Flesh Eaters is required for Rum Deal, but I don't know with the whole disease thing.

You seem to have forgotten:
- Desert series (possibly 5th Age)
- My Arm's Big Adventure (6th Age)
- Dwarf series (possibly 5th Age)
- Eagle's Peak (6th Age)
- Enlightened Journey (6th Age)
- Ernest the Chicken (required for Animal Magnetism and that required for Do No Evil)
- What's Mine Is Yours (required for Devious Minds to make the bowsword)
- The Blood Pact and Carnillean Rising (not sure, Hazeel's Cult necessary for latter)
- One Piercing Note (5th Age, referenced in The Death of Chivalry)
- Song From The Depths (6th Age, maybe 5th Age for Dragonkin?)
- Tower of Life (and thus Deadliest Catch, 6th Age)
- Watchtower (6th Age)
- As A First Resort... (6th Age)



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I didn't forget, they can really happen in any age without affecting anything :P . I'm focusing on requirements for The World Wakes, plus some others.

Regarding the elves, for all we know the Dark Lord could be Zaros, who couldn't return as easily as Zamorak. Or not a god at all! But fine, yeah. *adds* You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

23-Aug-2013 17:46:19 - Last edited on 23-Aug-2013 17:48:47 by Wahisietel

Robo Hobo

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Although I would like to ask...

What are the benefits of making more quests 6th-age-able when it would require so much time to go through, edit dialogue in a lot of quests, potentially making it more confusing to people who already did those quests (unless you intend to make all of those quests re-doable, which would be cool) when the sequels come out, potentially changing some of the plots that were tied with things that could only exist in the 5th age, when you could instead just add the 5th age marker to all of the other relevant quests?

Instead, using that extra time on something else?

If the Jagex team thinks they can have it make sense and convert all quests to 6th age and retcon all that stuff so that it's possible to exist in the 6th age, then go for it. I've got no issues
if it's made to make sense
(But I'd still prefer it as all quests 5th age prior to TWW). I'm just curious as to why this seems like something worth doing, and spending all that time for...When it could easily miss a lot of things since there are literally so many references that in the end it could make things even more confusing than before.

Perhaps if a Jmod were to explain the benefits of doing this, it would allow me and others to feel more at ease to it being considered in the first place.

EDIT: And a Jmod has explained :P

In the recent **borne/Hew livestream it was clarified that he didn't mean they would go through and rework all of the non-labled 5th age quests to fit and be expected to be in the 6th age, just that, for quests that could have within a couple lines changed and aren't entirely driven to a 5th age-only plot, they'll tweak it so that it fits in both the 5th and 6th age.

That makes a lot more sense to me, seems this was all just a misinterpretion of words. You can only fully appreciate a story when you experience it through the eyes of one of its characters.

23-Aug-2013 17:47:50 - Last edited on 23-Aug-2013 19:27:48 by Robo Hobo

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