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Rensler
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I think the way the Tier system works is by the amount of divine energy the God possesses and doesn't include strategy, tactics, power of will or factors like that.

If you remember watching Zaros and Zamorak battle in CoM, Zaros was able to overpower Zamorak in terms of raw power.

But when Zamorak and Saradomin clashed in BoL they couldn't get the upper-hand on the other until the players helped. Supporter of
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01-Dec-2017 05:27:39 - Last edited on 01-Dec-2017 05:32:37 by Rensler

Snowskeeper

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Aeldari said :
That is the point of my post, a God of a lower tier can still defeat one on a higher tier. Unless we are assuming every God encounter is a Dragon Ball Z showdown.

Obviously not, but it was in this situation, and this situation is the one we're talking about. In terms of raw power, Saradomin could absolutely slap the crap out of Zamorak, at present, especially if the player character didn't assist him in DaT.

Aeldari said :
Saradomin was able to over power Zamorak at the world event conclusion only with the help of player involvement. It is always a rock, paper, scissors scenario.

They were equal in power at the time. A Zamorakian lorehound, probably.

01-Dec-2017 07:32:35

Hazeel

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Aeldari said :
[That is the point of my post, a God of a lower tier can still defeat one on a higher tier. Unless we are assuming every God encounter is a Dragon Ball Z showdown.

Almost every one of them are at this point. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

03-Dec-2017 03:21:16 - Last edited on 03-Dec-2017 03:28:24 by Hazeel

Chaos Lupus

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Hazeel said :
Aeldari said :
[That is the point of my post, a God of a lower tier can still defeat one on a higher tier. Unless we are assuming every God encounter is a Dragon Ball Z showdown.

Almost every one of them are at this point.


Not true. Occasionally we get intense staring contests and soap opera-styled bickering.
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03-Dec-2017 18:06:23

Derack
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Meh, only one thing that can kill of a god is a Jmod writing it to happen..

As far this quest go's, Zamorak has the high Home ground advantage. He could have just summoned every creature inside of daemonheim to distract Saradomin, then he could have just done a finishing blow. And Sara.. well, he should be wiser and smarter.

Any way it's just a quest, a quest for jokes and fun, nothing serious.
"If you believe you can distance yourself from the harm you cause, you're deluding yourself. You're not some mindless tool. You're accountable. Your actions will catch up with you eventually." -Jedi Master Jun Seros; Swtor Bounty Hunter storyline.

03-Dec-2017 21:13:53

Snowskeeper

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Derack said :
Meh, only one thing that can kill of a god is a Jmod writing it to happen..

As far this quest go's, Zamorak has the high Home ground advantage. He could have just summoned every creature inside of daemonheim to distract Saradomin, then he could have just done a finishing blow. And Sara.. well, he should be wiser and smarter.

Any way it's just a quest, a quest for jokes and fun, nothing serious.

No he couldn't.

He has no authority over the vast majority of them. A Zamorakian lorehound, probably.

04-Dec-2017 00:14:17

Derack
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Snowskeeper said :
Derack said :
Meh, only one thing that can kill of a god is a Jmod writing it to happen..

As far this quest go's, Zamorak has the high Home ground advantage. He could have just summoned every creature inside of daemonheim to distract Saradomin, then he could have just done a finishing blow. And Sara.. well, he should be wiser and smarter.

Any way it's just a quest, a quest for jokes and fun, nothing serious.

No he couldn't.

He has no authority over the vast majority of them.
For a god and a leader, seems Zimzam doesn't hold much power at all then, if he can't do that.
"If you believe you can distance yourself from the harm you cause, you're deluding yourself. You're not some mindless tool. You're accountable. Your actions will catch up with you eventually." -Jedi Master Jun Seros; Swtor Bounty Hunter storyline.

05-Dec-2017 22:13:40

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From a strong sympathy with the victim, one starts to worry about the perpetrator by merely focusing on the evil aspect of his character. The culprit completely coincides with his evil act and is presented as a sadist who is bad and chooses to be evil for the sake of evil. This creates a black-and-white picture that just links all the bad elements.

We cannot recognize the dividing line between good and evil when we merely focus on the culprit, the person who, with his reckless behavior, drove some followers to death. But of course, your own prefered god would've never risked his followers into battle like that to get at his sworn enemies, and abandon them when they needed him most, right?

For some, there is no reason to be sympathetic or merciful to any culprit. In this way, demonization can lead to a repetition of evil. The negative image that emerges from one's behavior runs parallel with the way in which the other is described as the embodiment of evil.

Because Saradomin attributed the most deceitful qualities to Zamorak, his followers were convinced that the killing of his enemies and other 'inferior' mortals would eventually lead to a better world. The White Knights consciously join him, so while they seemed to have died unconsciously in the background, they were aware of the consequences.

This better world, full of security, prosperity, a flourishing culture, already served itself in all manner of propaganda and in concrete realizations of the regime (new cities, churches, parks, and other forms of cultural development). In addition, Saradomin has strongly supported ideals such as a sense of duty, courage, loyalty, andrighteous wars.

This all connects with a long historical tradition in which his enemies were associated with evil and all sorts of vices. for example, the destruction of Zarosian settlements did not mark a break with the prevailing moral thought of the last centuries, and was precisely in continuity with his policies. Sometimes one must operate within the
shadows
to serve the
light
. For a man makes no noise over a good deed, but passes on to another as a vine to bear fruits again in season, in order that the world may ever be new.

05-Dec-2017 22:41:17 - Last edited on 05-Dec-2017 22:43:22 by Byzantinist

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