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Hguoh

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Raleirosen said :
If it was some condition like that then I don't see why mass deportation wouldn't have worked.

make new domina great again

Ordinarily, that would work. The reason I say ordinarily is because of the nature of New Domina. Namely, the fact that winter lasts about half the year, forcing the Icyene (and likely most of the species) to migrate in order to survive. Assuming both need to migrate, they are almost certainly going to be crossing paths with each other at least once or twice per year.

Even assuming that the 'devils' don't need to migrate, any islands they occupy would essentially be uninhabitable to the Icyene. And sure, you could probably keep them on their designated islands during the summer, but the winters would allow them to spread and occupy more islands, making those uninhabitable.

New Domina just makes deportation an unfeasible option.

Raleirosen said :
Another possibility is that these devils just had a super special relationship with the icyene; they were the yin to their yang (or something) and the nature of that relationship made conflict totally inevitable, somehow. Or maybe the devils could only digest fried icyene wings, who knows.

That's kind of what I meant when I said that they could be natural predators of the Icyene (without the vampyres' ability to leave their prey alive after feeding). Sure they'd have established a natural equilibrium, but there is no possible way they could coexist without Icyene dying in order to feed the 'devils.'

23-Jan-2017 18:19:55

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Mewzard

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Well, Mod Stu called the Saradomin-related lore in Memorial to Guthix and Sliske's Endgame "Seeded DoCII lore" in his tweets to me and he wrote most of the answers in this topic, so I imagine it's been stuff setting up for topics mentioned or dealt with in the sequel to DoC.

While Saradomin has faced a lot of morally grey lore in recent times, at least the foe the Icyene faced needed to be ended was stated pretty Black and White here.

Saradomin wanting a peaceful solution, but knowing that it would lead to the death of the Icyene, and having to make it 100% clear everyone had to fight to win, but not finding the act of cruelty required to make it happen appealing at all, to the point every detail still haunts his mind...that may have been one of the hardest choices in his life. Just imagine for a minute struggling to even remember the color of your wife's eyes, but remembering every detail of one of your darker moments (even if for a good cause). That's gotta be rough.

On the topics of other lore, what exactly do you think is Saradomin's relationship with his daughter given her lack of godhood, but something to her that might be more than mortal? Could she be of an already strong, long lived race? Oh, just imagine the shock if she was a Demon, Mahjarrat, or of some other race known to serve Zamorak...or a Naragi (they seemed to have long lifespans).

Also, according to Mod Stu, the pieces of the puzzle to why Saradomin decided to destroy Askroth are available to us...what do you guys think it is? We've had tons of lore since the end of The World Wakes relating to Saradomin and Guthix...

William Witt said :
Hey, Mewzard! I hope you don't mind, but I ripped that tweet from your thread to put on my ever-living JMod Quotes thread (for future reference). I credited you. Of course, I kind of did the same thing with the thread's original batch of quotes...

Yeah man, that's fine. Always glad to help the expanding of more lore.

23-Jan-2017 20:09:05

Hguoh

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Mewzard said :
Also, according to Mod Stu, the pieces of the puzzle to why Saradomin decided to destroy Askroth are available to us...what do you guys think it is? We've had tons of lore since the end of The World Wakes relating to Saradomin and Guthix...

Given the memory about the Void Knights from the Memorial and Saradomin's dialogue from Sliske's Endgame explaining how he demonstrated cruelty to show how the Icyene's enemies wouldn't show them mercy, I'd say that he somehow knew/suspected Tuska was approaching Naragun.

As a result, he traveled to Naragun first and tried to convince them to follow him and train themselves for the impending invasion. They either didn't believe him, thought they could deal with Tuska and the Airut by their own methods, or simply didn't want to be subservient to him in exchange for his 'help.' Either way, Saradomin makes an example to show the Naragi just how unready they are by leveling Askroth.

Unlike the Icyene, this 'example' receives a 'mixed' response (it appears to have been largely negative). In other news, water is wet and Saradomin has poor tact.

23-Jan-2017 20:33:47 - Last edited on 23-Jan-2017 21:01:56 by Hguoh

Hazeel

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Is there really any room to theorize on Saradomin's actions on Naragun anymore? He made it clear: He was young, arrogant, and thought he had the right to rule...the Naragi disagreed and he attacked. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

23-Jan-2017 20:50:27

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SixOfOne

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Hazeel said :
Is there really any room to theorize on Saradomin's actions on Naragun anymore? He made it clear: He was young, arrogant, and thought he had the right to rule...the Naragi disagreed and he attacked.

Neither this or what Hguoh is saying is mutually exclusive though. Both can be true. He may have wanted to help them defend themselves and incorporate the survivors into his utopia, the former making the latter easier. At any rate, the Naragi didn't agree and Saradomin's further actions did not work. I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend to be one of those deaf-mutes

23-Jan-2017 21:40:57

Hazeel

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Well it just seems weird that Saradomin would be trying to protect them from their impending doom...when Tuska is following him, not Naragun. I mean imagine that exchange:

Saradomin: Naragi, we must join forces if you are to survive Tuska!
Naragi: Tuska?
Saradomin: A violent god beast that is on her way now to destroy you!
Naragi: How do you know this?
Saradomin: Because my prescense is luring her here as we speak.
Naragi: ......... Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

23-Jan-2017 23:06:09

Vardan

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Hazeel said :
Well it just seems weird that Saradomin would be trying to protect them from their impending doom...when Tuska is following him, not Naragun. I mean imagine that exchange:

Saradomin: Naragi, we must join forces if you are to survive Tuska!
Naragi: Tuska?
Saradomin: A violent god beast that is on her way now to destroy you!
Naragi: How do you know this?
Saradomin: Because my prescense is luring her here as we speak.
Naragi: .........
The Crown does lure the other gods, but given that Tuska was an anima eater, I don't think Saradomin himself would've been the one who leads her to planets. Otherwise why would she have missed New Dominia for all these years, and gone right to Gielinor?

We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.

23-Jan-2017 23:09:25

Vardan

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Hazeel said :
I...have trouble buying it honestly. Vanescula was a spoiled brat who would rather enslave others and make the world suffer than make the tiny bit of effort to survive on her own...yet we managed to end it peacefully--albeit with a gun to her head. Bandos was a sociopath who wanted destruction for its own sake...and yet he started to question himself and could have been turned around (if only a little effort was put in) within two weeks. If peace can be made with them, I can't imagine who it couldn't be made with--let alone an entire race.
One thing to keep in mind is that both Bandos and Vanescula were capable of independent thought, whereas Safalaan was basically driven insane as a Wryd and was driven to destroy. If we hadn't been able to cure him we would've had to kill him. If this "devil" race was driven by the same overwhelming desire to prey on the Icyene, without the McGuffin we had, it's either kill or be killed.

We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.

23-Jan-2017 23:12:06

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SixOfOne

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Hazeel said :
Well it just seems weird that Saradomin would be trying to protect them from their impending doom...when Tuska is following him, not Naragun. I mean imagine that exchange:

Saradomin: Naragi, we must join forces if you are to survive Tuska!
Naragi: Tuska?
Saradomin: A violent god beast that is on her way now to destroy you!
Naragi: How do you know this?
Saradomin: Because my prescense is luring her here as we speak.
Naragi: .........

It's not that weird considering Sara does generally want to protect people. It is his fault though and the fact that he considers his aims to be more important than the innocents who will die because of them gives additional depth to his character. I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend to be one of those deaf-mutes

23-Jan-2017 23:27:26 - Last edited on 23-Jan-2017 23:27:42 by SixOfOne

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Mewzard

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SixOfOne said :
It's not that weird considering Sara does generally want to protect people. It is his fault though and the fact that he considers his aims to be more important than the innocents who will die because of them gives additional depth to his character.

That said, he doesn't want people to die for nothing, which is no doubt why his mistakes in Naragun costing the Naragi so dearly still haunt him. Had it worked out for the better, he might have come out accepting what happened. But the fact that Naragun fell meant it was a high cost paid with no good coming from it. Had the Icyene died after what Saradomin did to unite them, he would have probably been completely disgusted with himself (probably still is to some degree, but it would be without any sort of justification).

23-Jan-2017 23:37:32

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